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		<title>By: Sfsnipe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sfsnipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about an ip address from where the phone was activated from? Would the company activating the phone have traceability to whom activated it through the ip address of the cell phone or computer which was used (if in fact one was used to activate it online)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about an ip address from where the phone was activated from? Would the company activating the phone have traceability to whom activated it through the ip address of the cell phone or computer which was used (if in fact one was used to activate it online)?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have purchased several prepaid sim cards on eBay.  It was common (years ago)  to find them loaded with minutes AND associated with a name.  The seller sometimes  provided that name (and birthdate)  in the event it was necessary to change anything associated with the account down the road.  Was that a legit name or ficticious?  Who cares.   These cards can be loaded by calling from any phone.  I was pleased ATT was not permitted to acquire Tmobile.  All of my prepaid cell phones are with Tmobile and I didn&#039;t relish the thought of an acquisition changing anything.  25 to 30 cents per minute is a bargain for those who use them infrequently.  I believe you can also get 1,000 minutes for $100, but I loaded all of my phones in smaller increments (for virtually free) by using  ink cartridge recycling rewards to purchase air time.  Unfortunately the office supply chains now prohibit those purchase of time cards  with ink rewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have purchased several prepaid sim cards on eBay.  It was common (years ago)  to find them loaded with minutes AND associated with a name.  The seller sometimes  provided that name (and birthdate)  in the event it was necessary to change anything associated with the account down the road.  Was that a legit name or ficticious?  Who cares.   These cards can be loaded by calling from any phone.  I was pleased ATT was not permitted to acquire Tmobile.  All of my prepaid cell phones are with Tmobile and I didn&#8217;t relish the thought of an acquisition changing anything.  25 to 30 cents per minute is a bargain for those who use them infrequently.  I believe you can also get 1,000 minutes for $100, but I loaded all of my phones in smaller increments (for virtually free) by using  ink cartridge recycling rewards to purchase air time.  Unfortunately the office supply chains now prohibit those purchase of time cards  with ink rewards.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use it for whistle blowing. Have been for years. If it wasn&#039;t for these kinds of things, i would be in serious trouble. Lets not be too naive about our govt. With enough money, the police will find you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use it for whistle blowing. Have been for years. If it wasn&#8217;t for these kinds of things, i would be in serious trouble. Lets not be too naive about our govt. With enough money, the police will find you</p>
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		<title>By: Mykey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mykey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>European country here. Not Denmark as the entry further up. We can buy prepaid phones like any other good in supermarkets, electronic shops and phone shops, with cash and without an ID. Sim is activated by calling the phone provider and entering a code. Prepaid accounts are good for one year and can be extended by buying a coupon at a shop, then calling the phone company and entering the coupon code.

A few years ago I read half of the cell phones here are prepaid. That means millions of these are in use. I have a prepaid phone myself. It helps to keep costs lower than having to pay monthly dues to a phone company. 

I think fears about the danger of unregistered phones are exaggerated. Registered phones that are stolen also make the thief anonymous but become a larger problem for the previous owner, because in case he is the first suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>European country here. Not Denmark as the entry further up. We can buy prepaid phones like any other good in supermarkets, electronic shops and phone shops, with cash and without an ID. Sim is activated by calling the phone provider and entering a code. Prepaid accounts are good for one year and can be extended by buying a coupon at a shop, then calling the phone company and entering the coupon code.</p>
<p>A few years ago I read half of the cell phones here are prepaid. That means millions of these are in use. I have a prepaid phone myself. It helps to keep costs lower than having to pay monthly dues to a phone company. </p>
<p>I think fears about the danger of unregistered phones are exaggerated. Registered phones that are stolen also make the thief anonymous but become a larger problem for the previous owner, because in case he is the first suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: saddened tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>saddened tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All phones sold in the US are federally required to be able to pinpoint your geo-location to a given carrier to within 100-300 meters. This has always been easy using triangulation (wait for your phone to switch between 3 or more towers, happens faster than you think), but every phone since 2004 or 2005 I think it was now has a GPS chip. Believe it or not, these chips know where you are real-time, send historical geo-location info to carriers where they are stored on servers indefinitely. These records are available on request from government entities, whether its an informal request which in which the service provider happily agrees without asking your consent (yes, this is pretty standard), or upon denial, in a court hearing which doesn&#039;t involve you either (I read that there were about a dozen or so cases in which the courts were involved). No probably cause is needed (showing that access will yield proof of crime), government agencies need only prove that access to a given cell phone&#039;s location would provide relevant aid in an ongoing investigation (aka, if they are looking into what could be a matter of a crime of any level and you happen to be associated with persons, places, or events involved, there goes your right to privacy).

A GPS chip functions while your phone is off as well. You can take the battery out if it makes you feel better, but all computers have internal batteries to keep certain components running 24/7 (think laptops, but desktops too), and since all phones are computers you can bet they all have an internal power source. This one is a bit of a stretch, but if you don&#039;t believe me please do your own research (somewhere other that wikipedia).

So, forgetting about that 100-300 meter radius, GPS (created, funded, and maintained by the Department of Defense) is accurate to within a few feet. Think about walking from your living room to your bathroom to take a pee...seriously? Who, besides you, needs to know that? You can always buy a phone overseas that advertises their lack of a GPS monitoring chip, but since your phone&#039;s public IP changes about once every minute, you can bet that youre being routed through another path (think back to towers here), and since it might take a speedy person three minutes to do their business and wash up, in the time you were taking that Freedom Pee with your &#039;untraceable phone&#039;, your position has been triangulated.

Triangulation is accomplished using signal strength, locations of towers, and computations of signal degradation over distance based on what is known about the technologies being implemented in a given situation. Then what you have is basically a big circle around each of the towers you last connected to, leaving a Venn diagram effect with a common area which you most surely occupy. Phone&#039;s usually switch towers when they leave range of a connected tower, come in range of a tower with a stronger signal than the one it is currently connected to, or when you reset your radio/turn your phone off and back on again. But remember that your phone is a computer, and its connections, voice or text, are not analog, it is data being sent directly to your service providers computer, to your friend&#039;s service provider&#039;s computers, and then to his phone (with no encryption or privacy of contents, I might add).

If it goes through them, they can choose the full path start to finish. If there are three towers that can conceivably connect to your phone and your carrier wants to triangulate you, youd better believe its a only a click away. They might not know who you are, but boy can they find you.

I know most of this is outside the scope of this post, but I define truth as the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I&#039;m sure glad I learned all of this so I want to make sure as many people know what they&#039;re dealing with as possible. This isn&#039;t a free country, we are still fighting everyday for freedom from our government and it&#039;s a shame that the people of the world can&#039;t see that; they instead refer to America and American&#039;s, lumping innocent people like us with government entities that make decisions out of our control, and then tell us it&#039;s what we wanted and for our own good.

I&#039;m still working on a solution for fully anonymous cell phone communications. Not that I expect to make much progress, but if I do, I promise to share it with you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All phones sold in the US are federally required to be able to pinpoint your geo-location to a given carrier to within 100-300 meters. This has always been easy using triangulation (wait for your phone to switch between 3 or more towers, happens faster than you think), but every phone since 2004 or 2005 I think it was now has a GPS chip. Believe it or not, these chips know where you are real-time, send historical geo-location info to carriers where they are stored on servers indefinitely. These records are available on request from government entities, whether its an informal request which in which the service provider happily agrees without asking your consent (yes, this is pretty standard), or upon denial, in a court hearing which doesn&#8217;t involve you either (I read that there were about a dozen or so cases in which the courts were involved). No probably cause is needed (showing that access will yield proof of crime), government agencies need only prove that access to a given cell phone&#8217;s location would provide relevant aid in an ongoing investigation (aka, if they are looking into what could be a matter of a crime of any level and you happen to be associated with persons, places, or events involved, there goes your right to privacy).</p>
<p>A GPS chip functions while your phone is off as well. You can take the battery out if it makes you feel better, but all computers have internal batteries to keep certain components running 24/7 (think laptops, but desktops too), and since all phones are computers you can bet they all have an internal power source. This one is a bit of a stretch, but if you don&#8217;t believe me please do your own research (somewhere other that wikipedia).</p>
<p>So, forgetting about that 100-300 meter radius, GPS (created, funded, and maintained by the Department of Defense) is accurate to within a few feet. Think about walking from your living room to your bathroom to take a pee&#8230;seriously? Who, besides you, needs to know that? You can always buy a phone overseas that advertises their lack of a GPS monitoring chip, but since your phone&#8217;s public IP changes about once every minute, you can bet that youre being routed through another path (think back to towers here), and since it might take a speedy person three minutes to do their business and wash up, in the time you were taking that Freedom Pee with your &#8216;untraceable phone&#8217;, your position has been triangulated.</p>
<p>Triangulation is accomplished using signal strength, locations of towers, and computations of signal degradation over distance based on what is known about the technologies being implemented in a given situation. Then what you have is basically a big circle around each of the towers you last connected to, leaving a Venn diagram effect with a common area which you most surely occupy. Phone&#8217;s usually switch towers when they leave range of a connected tower, come in range of a tower with a stronger signal than the one it is currently connected to, or when you reset your radio/turn your phone off and back on again. But remember that your phone is a computer, and its connections, voice or text, are not analog, it is data being sent directly to your service providers computer, to your friend&#8217;s service provider&#8217;s computers, and then to his phone (with no encryption or privacy of contents, I might add).</p>
<p>If it goes through them, they can choose the full path start to finish. If there are three towers that can conceivably connect to your phone and your carrier wants to triangulate you, youd better believe its a only a click away. They might not know who you are, but boy can they find you.</p>
<p>I know most of this is outside the scope of this post, but I define truth as the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I&#8217;m sure glad I learned all of this so I want to make sure as many people know what they&#8217;re dealing with as possible. This isn&#8217;t a free country, we are still fighting everyday for freedom from our government and it&#8217;s a shame that the people of the world can&#8217;t see that; they instead refer to America and American&#8217;s, lumping innocent people like us with government entities that make decisions out of our control, and then tell us it&#8217;s what we wanted and for our own good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still working on a solution for fully anonymous cell phone communications. Not that I expect to make much progress, but if I do, I promise to share it with you all.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now it even easier and with less information... I work for a major retailer that sells the above phone. Now you can ask an associate to set the phone up for you, the associate only needs a zip code and doesn&#039;t need a name or any personal information to setup the phone. they key the zip code emei and the pin on the card and bam your good to go. 

im pretty sure all their systems are automated now so you could setup a phone the same way and not even have to talk to a operator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now it even easier and with less information&#8230; I work for a major retailer that sells the above phone. Now you can ask an associate to set the phone up for you, the associate only needs a zip code and doesn&#8217;t need a name or any personal information to setup the phone. they key the zip code emei and the pin on the card and bam your good to go. </p>
<p>im pretty sure all their systems are automated now so you could setup a phone the same way and not even have to talk to a operator.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh noes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh noes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next thing you know they&#039;ll have phones on the streets that for only a quarter will let you make anonymous phone calls! The horror! Or people might hook up cordless phones in their houses allowing anyone with kindergarten tech knowledge to use anyones phone from outside their house... Don&#039;t get me started on what would happen if someone where to invent Voice over IP...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next thing you know they&#8217;ll have phones on the streets that for only a quarter will let you make anonymous phone calls! The horror! Or people might hook up cordless phones in their houses allowing anyone with kindergarten tech knowledge to use anyones phone from outside their house&#8230; Don&#8217;t get me started on what would happen if someone where to invent Voice over IP&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: linnie trotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>linnie trotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes ,I agree 100% untraceable is the least concern.</description>
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		<title>By: linnie trotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>linnie trotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No they are not dangerous. How could they be????????????  I mean think about when we had no cell phones . No one tracked you 24 hours a day. So why is it such a bad thing now, if we make the chioce to own a nontraceable cell phone?  Not everyone wants to have a cell phone for the pupose of being traced.  It is a personal chioce, thats all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they are not dangerous. How could they be????????????  I mean think about when we had no cell phones . No one tracked you 24 hours a day. So why is it such a bad thing now, if we make the chioce to own a nontraceable cell phone?  Not everyone wants to have a cell phone for the pupose of being traced.  It is a personal chioce, thats all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found this discussion very interesting. I was just wondering if it was possible to have an untraceable cell phone. I only use mine for emergencies and the minutes expire before I use them.

 I am amazed as a culture how dependent people are on cell phones. So many people have them now you can forget looking someone up in the phone book anymore. This helps criminals by keeping their address and number a secret. Now all the poor have cell phones and they get free minutes every month, &quot;Safe link&quot; so they can look for jobs? Like a phone is a necessity like food or electricity! It also takes advantage of the poor who spend the rent just to have the newest cell phone when a 30 dollar magic jack would give them a years worth of local and long distance service. A lousy 2.50 a month will give you phone service but not the cool cell phone kind. I just talked a friend out of an unlimited plan which was expensive and she is on welfare. She has the Safe link phone but uses up the 250 minutes in a week. She is getting a magic jack after I explained to her that this was all she could &quot;afford&quot;. Maybe she could even get cable tv with the savings?  I just don&#039;t get it as I rarely use my phone or have a need to be connected to someone 24/7 with a cellular umbilical cord. It seems like every great invention like the television and the telephone starts out promising but within a few short years we have over engineered it and made the content something I find unacceptable to watch or listen to. It&#039;s insulting to anyone with intelligence and &quot;new funny&quot; is not as good as &quot;old funny&quot; was. 

Now the cell phone, How did we ever live without them? They are expensive, need to be upgraded, die if they get wet or dropped. You need to charge them, the buttons are too small to see, many vehicular accidents are attributed to texting and jobs are lost over sexting and marriages are over due to cell records and criminals go to jail because of triangulation and call records. Not to mention brain cancer from holding them to our heads all day long. Being untraceable is the least of their problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found this discussion very interesting. I was just wondering if it was possible to have an untraceable cell phone. I only use mine for emergencies and the minutes expire before I use them.</p>
<p> I am amazed as a culture how dependent people are on cell phones. So many people have them now you can forget looking someone up in the phone book anymore. This helps criminals by keeping their address and number a secret. Now all the poor have cell phones and they get free minutes every month, &#8220;Safe link&#8221; so they can look for jobs? Like a phone is a necessity like food or electricity! It also takes advantage of the poor who spend the rent just to have the newest cell phone when a 30 dollar magic jack would give them a years worth of local and long distance service. A lousy 2.50 a month will give you phone service but not the cool cell phone kind. I just talked a friend out of an unlimited plan which was expensive and she is on welfare. She has the Safe link phone but uses up the 250 minutes in a week. She is getting a magic jack after I explained to her that this was all she could &#8220;afford&#8221;. Maybe she could even get cable tv with the savings?  I just don&#8217;t get it as I rarely use my phone or have a need to be connected to someone 24/7 with a cellular umbilical cord. It seems like every great invention like the television and the telephone starts out promising but within a few short years we have over engineered it and made the content something I find unacceptable to watch or listen to. It&#8217;s insulting to anyone with intelligence and &#8220;new funny&#8221; is not as good as &#8220;old funny&#8221; was. </p>
<p>Now the cell phone, How did we ever live without them? They are expensive, need to be upgraded, die if they get wet or dropped. You need to charge them, the buttons are too small to see, many vehicular accidents are attributed to texting and jobs are lost over sexting and marriages are over due to cell records and criminals go to jail because of triangulation and call records. Not to mention brain cancer from holding them to our heads all day long. Being untraceable is the least of their problems.</p>
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