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Nine Years. Has this Country Forgotten?

By Bryan Black

Today marks the 9th anniversary of the September 11th attacks. Nine years. It seems like a long time ago, but for those that lost loved ones, friends and family it will never seem that way.

I try to stay out of political rhetoric and religion on ITS, and today I’m going to do my best. All I’m going to ask today is for everyone out there that may read this post, to reflect on where you were on 9/11. How it made you feel, and what this nation lost. Next, I’m going to ask that you take that perspective and apply it towards what’s currently going on in New York and the ramifications of what might potentially happen.

In case you haven’t been watching the news or talking to people who care about this country, there’s a Muslim Cultural Center building proposal two blocks from Ground Zero. Is that really what’s right? The Mayor of New York wants to let it happen, his argument is “should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion?”

What has happened to us in the time since the attacks? Have we forgotten what happened that day? How do you think those people felt, whose only choice was between being burned alive and leaping to their deaths? They were fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. Do you think they felt that Islam is a “religion of peace?”

To those that are preaching about tolerance and religious equality, show me in the Qur’an where Islam is truly a religion of peace. I’m not talking about the early writings of Muhammad that have been invalidated by the later more violent passages either.

I feel it’s important that we not only turn this into a day of remembrance for those 3,000 lives lost at the hands of Islamic Terrorists, but also a day of reflection on where this country is and what it will become.

Never Forget.

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Discussion

  • CenterMass

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.” Surah 9:5

    Remember, THIS is the thought process of those we are fighting. You cannot negotiate with them. You cannot make peace with them. They are commanded by their God to make the nonbeliever submit or to kill them. Doesnt matter if youre black, white, Asian, or Latino. They will do whatever it takes. And until our leaders realize this and fight on their level, only then will we defeat them.

    • Jeffrey

      They shouldn’t be surprised if another
      ‘Timothy McVeigh’ pays the center a visit;
      bad idea in every possible way. It’s like the US trying to erect a monument for the Enola Gay and crew at ground zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

    • Kurdi

      “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).” 60:8-9
      Don’t just go and pick whatever you like when you know nothing about it. It was when the Muslims were at war with the Arabs at that time.

  • madwest

    Ill never forget being at work and hear the mixed reports of a plane that hit the world trade center. I remember watching the tv and seeing the 2nd plane hit the second tower, and the wave of fear, terror, and a sickening feeling in my gut as I knew what would happen next. War, death, more fear, and a world changed forever.
    I don’t think that a mosque should be built too close to the site, but what is too close? And do we condemn a religion for the actions of a few? I think we should stay focused on hunting down and cutting the balls off those who would use ANY excuse,(religion, politics,greed, or,whatever) to do harm to us!

    • Billy

      @madwest…

      What is too close is certainly a subjective question, but I would think most people could agree that if the site was actually DAMAGED by debris from the planes, THAT is DEFINITELY TOO CLOSE!

  • James Engel

    If that mosque goes up, it will be a slap in the face. No. Worse. We don’t put up a murder’s tomb outside the family of the victim’s home. Yet, that is effectively what will be done.
    I love my God, my Country, and my Family. At least my God and family still knows what’s right. I pray my country still does.

  • I was on a mission at Souda Bay Crete on 911. We watched the news after the first plane hit and then watched the second plane. Everyone knew right then it was a terrorist attack.
    It was almost impossible to call back to the states (my son and ex live on Long Island) and talk about stressful.
    The command group was springing into action and about nine hours later we were on SPAR6 flying back to the states. We didn’t know if we could get back to Tampa with the airspace being shut down and I recall we were the only flight crossing the Atlantic that day.
    Anyway, I don’t think anyone could forget that day but I think may have let it fade from their memory and we have become a sleeping giant once again.
    The stealth jihad is in full effect and building that mosque would be a huge victory.
    God bless the USA (we need it)!!

  • Philip Politis

    I was watching from the ground as the poor souls were jumping from the 100th floor of tower one as the only alternative to melting alive from the extreme heat of the jet fuel fire.

    At that moment tower 2 blew up over my head as the 2nd plane went in and the explosion pushed out.

    You can try and tell me that a multi-story islamic symbol of conquest overlooking the location of that event is actually there to promote peace and cultural understanding.
    Just try.

    Never forget.

  • Billy

    I’m sure there are many truly tolerant, peaceful, and kind Muslims, but do THEY want the Mosque built at Ground Zero?

    I have to assume that THEY hate the thought of being associated with terrorists and extremists… and surely THEY must admit that the Islamic Extremists would consider this Mosque to be a triumphant victory over America… so how could THEY possibly support the Mosque at Ground Zero?

  • I remember the day this happened. I was cruising around a major city’s bypass on my way to one of many computer security conferences. This one in particular was on viruses.

    When the first plane hit, my friend who was driving, and I, both of us, thought, “Oh, thats got to be an accident!” When the second plane his, I remember this feeling of panic: WE ARE UNDER ATTACK. I suddenly felt, as if naked, that I was totally unprepared. I was in a major city, no bug out bag, no gun, very little money.

    THAT will never happen again.

    Then, I started studying Islam and why all this shenanigans goes on. I knew little about Islam. Now, however, I know too much. Too much to be comfortable with ANY practitioners of that evil sect allowed to reside in my country. Islam, put simply, is an invasion plan.

    We must understand, Islam masquerades as a religion when it is actually a total system of control and subjugation. It has rules for everything from how you think, how you live, how you defecate, what you buy, who you talk to. Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of pieces in that it has aspects of religion but is more of a form of socio-spirtual-economic government. While the people outside of Islam preach “Tolerance! Tolerance!” the people inside Islam say “Make the infidels submit or kill them…”

    The longer the people of America allow Islam to continue its invasion, the more irreparable damage is done to this land and the republics that are contained within it. I’m not preaching intolerance. For intolerance would require a lack of tolerance for something that was just different. Islam has declared everything and everyone that doesn’t embrace it and follow it to be its enemy. I would not have been tolerant of Nazi Germany and I will not be tolerant of Islam.

  • Brian

    I remember being in elementary school…. sitting in a reclining chair and watching in shock. Thats when I was too young to understand what happened.

  • Echo19

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbvmUaiFsw

    Y’all discuss this as if being American and Muslim are mutually exclusive.

    madwest’s opinion has been seconded.

  • Gomi

    There *was* a mosque at Ground Zero. It was on the 17th floor in one of the towers, and people had been praying there that morning.

    This isn’t a war of religion. It’s a war of violent idiots who use religion to justify their violence.

    I remember my thoughts that morning. One of the most melodramatic and medieval was “Purify them with fire.” Simply, find them and remove their stain from this Earth, in the most direct and necessarily violent means possible.

    But that’s about the people who committed this atrocity, not every random person who recites the same words when they pray.

  • Will Comptis

    I was in training for a new job. While I was eating breakfast a loud scream from one of my coworkers nearly knocked me off my chair. When I ran to see what had happened, streams of tears were already coming down her face. Her eyes were locked to the TV. Then I looked at the live news report. Even now typing this, I get a nauseating feeling. That is something that will stay with me forever. I remember a feeling of hot blood and adrenalin rushing through my body. Feeling totally helpless because I couldn’t do anything for them.

    A mosque so close to that ground would be a slap to all our faces.

    Out.

  • Yakman

    I will never forget that day. I was working at a local airport (formerly a strategic aircommand base) when the attack occured. I was a flightline tech and just finished kicking out two commuter planes when our front desk called and told us about the first strike. We all went into the pilot’s lounge to watch the news. When we saw the second plane hit, we thought at first that it was a replay of the first strike. Then came the reports of the attempt at the Pentagon and then we got the call. The FAA advised us that the airspace was shut down. Our airspace?But the attacks happened back east. No all of American airspace is shut down we were told.

    Recovering the morning’s flights, passangers where angry and upset that they had to return. I will never forget the looks on their face when we told them what had happened. Latter on that day I meet with a friend of mine and was there when his dad called to say that he was allright and not to worry. We did not know that he had had a meeting in the Towers that day, but it was cancelled. My friend’s dad was walking two blocks away when the first plane hit and he saw it happen. A former SEAL, he immediatly knew what was happening and bugged out.

    Needless to say there was a wide range of emotions that day. Had 9/11 never occured and you told me that Islam was a peacefull religion I might have beleived you. Now, after carefull study of Islam and the Qu’ran, this is a load of bollocks.

    I have been taught to forgive. But I will never forget. God bless those who perished and our warriors in the fight.

  • waykno

    If the Muslims truly want this to be a site of “bringing together”, then I think they would relocate it. They all know the majority of Americans do not want it there according to the polls. It isn’t the mosque Americans are opposed to, I believe New York has over 100 of them. Also, Donald Trump has offered a 25% profit to the site owner(s) and I bet they don’t take it either. I read they would take a 4 or 5 times profit–well, their principles went out the door there. And one more thing–the talk about using this or that for a recruiting tool or not wanting to enrage the extremists–they don’t care what we do or don’t do, they are already the way they are and want us dead… in my humble opinion.

  • “We must understand, Islam masquerades as a religion when it is actually a total system of control and subjugation. It has rules for everything from how you think, how you live, how you defecate, what you buy, who you talk to. ”

    ALL religions are like that. If you want to, you can also find all kinds of justification for hatred, intolerance and violence in the Bible as well (just ask that lunatic in Gainseville).

    If you want to truly remember and commemorate the lives lost on 9/11 – then do not forget that people of many nations and faiths – including Islam – died on that day. And also remember that these fanatics have killed far more Muslims over their bloody history than they have Americans – or indeed any westerners.

  • Greenfield

    I really enjoy reading your blog. I, too, don’t enjoy discussing politics and religion. However, this blog post, as well as most of the comments here, really disappoint me.

    I was a senior in high school when the attack happened, so obviously I was old enough to understand what was going on.

    “A mosque so close to that ground would be a slap to all our faces.”

    Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me. Way to be ignorant and hateful.

    [sarcasm] …But they are brown.. and Islam is evil and so are all Muslims and don’t you know there is no such thing as a moderate. And I don’t care there are Muslim soliders getting shot at while shooting at other Muslims, so I can be an idiot and attack their house of worship.

    Don’t you know when they put up a mosque it means they conquered the place.. don’t you know about the dome on the rock. [/sarcasm]

    http://www.businessinsider.com/there-already-was-a-ground-zero-mosque-2010-9

    There was ALREADY a mosque (ok, a prayer room) on site. Turn off that hateful Faux News.

    I grew up a Catholic. I’m not super religious these days, but I wouldn’t consider myself agnostic. You think Islam is evil? Christianity has its share of BS. Remember The Inquisition? How about the current pedophilia scandals? Catholicism is not perfect. If you do “careful study” of the Bible also, there is a LOT of stuff that nobody will ever mention. People just seem to pick out the “good” stuff, only what they want, out of the Bible, just like how people pick out what they want from the Quran to portray Islam as an evil religion.

    I am disappointed in most of you, and I’m disappointed in this blog post. It’s religious persecution.

  • David Ward

    I don’t know about the rest of American’s but i know the memory had faded for me, the pain was no longer there. After watching this video and fighting back the tears, I remember, I remember why our soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s not about WMD’s it’s not about Oil or money or greed. It is about Islamic people attacking Americans on our soil. We fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here. We take the fight to their doorstep, and as far as I’m concerned I want blood. There was no mercy for those people that day, there was no “peaceful religion” that day. They have made the mistake of thinking because we’re civil, we’re weak. I cannot speak for all Americans, but I will not stand by and do nothing. I cannot stand idly by and watch the perpetrators live out their days in peace. The must be brought to justice and/or killed.

  • Daniel Garcia

    I remember that day so well. The City was on full alert and every law enforcement agency was not the same for months to follow.
    I’m glad to see ITS posting this seal, story and video in remembrance…. Lord knows to many people have short memories.

  • I remember being at work that day and when I heard the news of the first plane, I thought what a terrible accident. When I heard the news of the second plane I thought back to where I was during the 1993 bombing of the WTC and thought here is our payment for once again thinking Islam is just misunderstood. We should have went to war 1993 to exterminate all of Islam.

    Islamists, we have not forgotten what you produced, America’s brave shall hunt you until their final days!

  • Will Comptis

    Greenfield, we are not ignorant or hateful. We know that there are other mosques. However, I don’t think that building a mosque near Ground Zero is the right thing to do. I think that shows very little respect to the fallen and their families. I also believe you would feel very different if you personally lost someone that day as a result of the attacks.

    • Gomi

      Losing someone on that day doesn’t magically make an entire religion at fault. Didn’t for me.

      The point is there were Muslims in the towers when they fell. Muslims in the first responders who died and served. Muslims who’ve served bravely and honorably since then.

      What about respect for those fallen?

  • Small point to Kurdi on saying that CenterMass is just “picking whatever he chooses”. The 9th Sura. It’s the second to last chronologically in the Qu’ran, and is the one that preaches killing those that do not convert. For those that are unaware, if there is a conflict of guidance in the Qu’ran, the item that came last overrides the earlier ones. This is what is known as Naskh or Tafsir as it relates to the Qu’ran. You have to look at the Qu-ran as they appear in chronological order, not size order as they are arranged in the Qu’ran. (http://www.bombaxo.com/chronsurs.html)

    Now, many of the non-ultra orthodox within the other Abrahamic religions may “pick and choose” what they follow (I still can’t find why Christians can eat ham and shrimp), and there’s vague ideas of a timeline in their writings. However, technically, since the Koran is very clear in it’s time line (it’s all from the Prophet Mohammad), and how to solve conflicts of messages in it’s writings, it would be ignoring the rules of the religion to point to earlier writings when later writings overrule that.

  • Rob

    I remember hearing the news and not understanding it. I simply couldn’t comprehend what had happened until it was all over.

    But I worry at some of the comments here which tar all Muslims with the same brush. Would you care for everyone to think all Christians are like Westboro Baptist Church who protest at the funerals of servicemen killed in Iraq? The terrorists are not rational people, and you can’t extrapolate from their views to the views of the majority of Muslims, just as you can’t extrapolate from Fred Phelps to the majority of Christians.

    Although I do think Islam is probably the most worrying major religion around at the moment, I don’t see why this means we should protest the building of an Islamic centre near Ground Zero. The Muslims are here, after all. Do you want the radical fundamentalists preaching violence to be the only people they get to listen to? That’s what could happen if you push them aside. You’re not going to be able to convert them all, so you have to engage with them as they are. Or would you rather have to kill all of them? Would you rather have them trying to kill all of you? The only reason any of you have a problem with each other is to do with which imaginary sky being you worship.

  • Raymond

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/30/ramadan.roadtrip/index.html?iref=allsearch

    something to look at. There are compelling arguments to both sides but we must still come together, people of all races, creeds and religions. This is why the US is the greatest country on earth and the envy of the rest of the world. The world is not black and white.

  • Tig

    A) The country hasn’t forgotten. I seriously doubt we’ll ‘forget.’ Have we forgotten Pearl Harbor?

    B) I’m kind of amazed how much more people thousands of miles away are on edge, compared to those of us who actually lived and live in NYC, right where it happened. Caution is good, outright fear and trepidation is not – especially if you live far away from any potential ‘target.’

    c) It’s not a mosque. It’s not on ‘ground zero.’ It’s on private land 2 blocks away. It’s run by an Imam who has always been a supporter of peace. Anyway, there was a muslim prayer room in one of the WTC towers. The Islamic center wouldn’t have been an issue had the flames not been fanned by politicos and news stations. And blaming all Muslims for what some religious extremist fringe group did is like blaming all Christians for bombing an abortion clinic. Beliefs and values are one thing, violence is another.

    I think if anything, we not only remember, we ask a lot more questions of ourselves and see ourselves more clearly since then.

  • Matthew

    I feel that people are interpreting the Koran literally. But what would happen if we interpreted the Old Testament literally. We would have a pretty wacked out culture. Downright scary perhaps.

    There are hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims.

    I feel that taking away freedoms in this country (to not allow this religious center to be built) not only shows our fear to the world but also goes directly against the intended desires of our forefathers.

    Finally, I have always felt that I smelled a rat with regard to 9/11. It’s never fully added up for me.

  • snarkyFish

    In 9 years, have you forgotten that this country was built upon a belief in religious freedom?

    These guys were extremists. We have christian extremists too. They’re all bad for the world… In my opinion.

    If we build our post 9/11 country upon intolerance, fear and hate, there’s no country left to protect.

    A mosque next to a couple strip joints isn’t going to hurt anyone. The entire country throwing out it’s core freedoms over it certainly will.

  • d. flanagan

    Just remember one thing people…
    Our anti-American, Muslim president is in support of this whole mosque plan.
    Remember…Freedom is not free.

  • TBG

    In my opinion, the level that the controversy has escalated to is clouding the whole issue here. I think that yes, it’s probably understandable that people think the mosque is a manifestation of anti-American muslim groups trying to see how far they can push the US over, but at the same time, I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions without knowing the motives behind the move. The problem is it’s all completely subjective, and both sides of the argument will believe what they want to believe, regardless of how cut-and-dry you make it seem.

    In my opinion, I think that relocating the mosque would be a prudent move on muslims’ part, because the more they push to have the mosque built there against the wishes of a good part of the American public, the more it erases the doubt in the minds of those who oppose it. Not to mention it would be hugely impractical if the move were to go through; I would bet that there would be protests outside the mosque for months to come, as well as the few who might take it to a more extreme level.

    One thing is for certain though, muslim Americans should be damn grateful that they weren’t locked up in internment camps after 9/11 like the Japanese were during WWII.

  • Me

    You say that these christians in Florida who invented qur’an burning day don’t represent america. They are just a few people out of many you say. Yet you declare islam was not a religion of peace even though it was just a few radicals who did that 9 years ago. Hypocrisy!
    I myself don’t regard neither of the two religions as religions of peace…

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