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#1 tumbleweed

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:13 AM

So, besides being yet again thoroughly disgusted with the government. I must rant a bit. I have know for a long while that what the government has been doing is not constitutional. Anyone remember carnivore from the late 90's? Tech has given the government unlimited spy power. I however feel this latest round is only the tip of the ice berg and it is a big berg. This all leads to the overwhelming feeling that the ship is going down. There are too many angry people in the world. Too many micro-wars. Too much suffering. To say the least too many that just don't care and have become zombies in their own right. I question how did we let this happen? When will people wake up and see that any government, any organized religion, any ideal can be perverted and subverted to the one thing they are all truly designed for in the end and that is control over the masses? When did we lose our pride? When did we lose the spirit of self reliance? Was it the hippies of the 60's? Was it the Marxists of the 50's? Was it the Social reformists of the 30's? When will people learn socialism does not work unless you have a placid and limp society that is content to suckle from the teat of government? While I am not free, I have some liberty left? However, I have never lost the dream of true freedom. Is it coming to a head? Is there something big on the horizon? While I pray not, I have that sinking feeling something wicked this way comes. Anyone else feeling it?
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:44 AM

I am feeling it too......Wife doesn't quite understand why I am purchasing gear for our protection. Hopefully will never need to use it but I just have a feeling, like yourself, that something is going to happen.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:01 AM

Tuneno - ya my wife is catching on and seeing it too. I guess when it hits, it will be best to be mobile. I do know I will not align with anything this government puts forth. I do feel that it will have to be big, and that with all that is going on the UN may finally make a play for World Government. Scary, but it all depends on what event horizon is. Get her to go shooting with you if she doesn't already, put it down as quality time together, because it is even though it has ulterior motive. ;)
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#4 Chris San Souci

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

I am feeling it too......Wife doesn't quite understand why I am purchasing gear for our protection. Hopefully will never need to use it but I just have a feeling, like yourself, that something is going to happen.


Im in the same boat however we do go shooting together and if it hits the fan I know she has my back.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:58 PM

I'm very lucky that my wife is on board with me. Not quite as far as me but better than a lot of wives i know
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

These are good things to hear. Hope all is well, and here is looking to the day our Republic remembers itself.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:39 AM

Need more ITS members in WA to hook up with!

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

I look back to 1988 when I first heard of "New World Order" and was looked at as a nut case when I told anyone about it. Fast forward to 1991 and Bush bringing it out into the open and now 2013 Biden is openly touting the plan.

When did it happen? Well I'd say it started in 1913 (read the book, vid is good also) but it's definitely been gaining speed in my adult lifetime.

PS> Amen to "on board" spouses!

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 11:57 PM

Anyone remember carnivore from the late 90's?
I don't remember it, but I learned of it a few years ago. Carnivore is predated by PROMIS in the late 70's.
I question how did we let this happen?
That's a complex one, partly through complacency, but mostly through back room deals, unimaginable sums of money, and untold political corruption that citizenry had almost no way of preventing.
When will people wake up and see that any government, any organized religion, any ideal can be perverted and subverted to the one thing they are all truly designed for in the end and that is control over the masses?
When it's too late.
When did we lose our pride? When did we lose the spirit of self reliance?
Another complex one, but in short those values have been slowly erroded over the last century and maybe a bit more.
Was it the hippies of the 60's?
They didn't start or cause it but they perpetuate it. The hippies of the 60's are today's college professors and political leaders.
Was it the Marxists of the 50's? Getting warmer.
Was it the Social reformists of the 30's?
Getting warmer, the problems in America started with the progressive movement (actually it was earlier with any form of political corruption that went unnoticed and unpunished). Teddy Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912, but I can't pin down where the ideology began prior to that. Most likely it split from the First or Second International socialist groups in the latter half of the 1800's.
When will people learn socialism does not work unless you have a placid and limp society that is content to suckle from the teat of government?
Either never, or when it's too late. Socialists have an incredibly good public relations apparatus, and once they're in power it's almost impossible to get rid of them. People love free stuff.
Anyone else feeling it? YES!


***ETA: The earliest that I can trace the modern ideological beginnings of Socialism are the French Revolution in 1789, so it all began around the same time America did.... interesting***

I highly recommend a book called Eugenics and Other Evils by G.K. Chesterton (orig. published in 1922). It's a little unnerving, because through this book I learned that the methods of the Nazis were widely accepted in America, Europe, and in pretty much all of the civilized world. They weren't necessarily out to eradicate a specific race, but they were all about sterilizing and euthanizing mentally and physically disabled people and setting up planned societies/economies (socialism) everywhere. It's really hard here to name such a nebulous enemy, as soon as you identify and label them they change their name and the names of their ideologies. Everyone likes to say that there were four main ideologies in Europe during WWII, the Facists, Nazis, Communists, and Capitalists. This is false. The Facists, Nazis, and Communists (Progressives too) are all Socialists, they all believe in the same principles, the only differences are their methods and timeline. Liberal Facism by Jonah Goldberg is another good book to read on the subject (which I need to read again).

Both of these books are good, but not the easiest to read. G.K. Chesterton is British and VERY wordy writing in a time period of excessive wordiness, so he can be hard to follow. Liberal Facism is dry by nature because it's all political history.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:24 AM

You might find this blog post interesting http://thepatriotper...ftist-academic/ :

I’m in the process of reading Michael Lee Lanning’s “Inside the LRRPs – Rangers in Vietnam”. It’s a good book, and nestled in the middle of Chapter 6: The Men With Painted Faces, where he discusses how LRRPs recruited their men and officers, is this quote:


While colleges and universities were a prime source of officers for all of the services, they also were a haven for those more interested in maintaining their draft-exempt status than in education itself. The length of the Vietnam War and this draft loophole produced America’s most-educated generation, as students stayed in college past undergraduate level to earn masters, doctorates, law degrees, or anything to remain deferred until the magical age of twenty-six, when a young man was no longer draft eligible.

It’s stated so succinctly that it encapsulates and explains a major leftist swing in academia.

Those who stayed on for years and years in college were often those who sought to elude the draft, who hated the war (though many were fine with war for their own causes), and who thought they were more intelligent than those around them. Certainly years and years in academia resulted in increased knowledge, even if it was devoid of wisdom or experience necessary to frame that knowledge. They hated the war, yet they would ultimately side with LBJ and his “Great Society” social experiments as they became the educated ruling class. They decided they knew, and now know, what’s best for everyone else.

With degrees and experience, they could get into government jobs, with their education – a luxury just a few decades before, they could now take the lead in society with their papered cleverness. Those who stayed in academia then set the tone for future generations of leftist academics.

It becomes crystal clear in retrospect that so many of our nation’s current problems and things that make traditionalists’, conservatives’, and libertarians’ eyes roll – like a toy gun buyback in California – stem from the fact that our nation’s education system was demographically remade in the late 1960s and early 1970s by people whose defining trait was cowardice.

While it may not be a new revelation, and of course exceptions existed and remain, that trait has stayed dominant into the present day, and permeated education, society and culture.
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 01:52 PM

Oregon Jim, Spenceman, Geist - great additions and words. Now watching the market implode, looks like the rest of this year and 2014 may be another fun one. Stay frosty.
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