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#1 B3dlam

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 11:38 AM

So I have been considering the idea of some form of Tactical Tomahawk to attach to my GHB.  Not looking at it as a weapon as much as an entry tool to help gain entry to buildings/vehicles.  With this in mind I want something that can get me through doors pry etc without getting too screwed up.  Functioning as a weapon is a tertiary need for this tool in my opinion I am just curious what you guys prefer for this mission set.

 

Here are three that I have found that seem to fit the bill:

http://www.amazon.co...k/dp/B009NKNNX4

 

http://www.amazon.co...ds=s&w tomahawk

 

http://www.amazon.co...erber downrange


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Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:05 PM

Does it have to be a tomahawk?  What about something like these:

 

http://www.amazon.co...=I2SCXWR67RVXXA

 

http://www.amazon.co...d_bxgy_hi_img_y

 

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:35 PM

Does it have to be a tomahawk?  What about something like these:

 

http://www.amazon.co...=I2SCXWR67RVXXA

 

http://www.amazon.co...d_bxgy_hi_img_y

 

http://www.amazon.co...d_bxgy_hi_img_y

I like having the ability to utility of a cutting blade as well which is part of why I looked at the hawks although the 'non tactical' look of the fatmaxes can have its merits.


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Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:55 PM

Of the 3 you listed, I'd go with the gerber one since it has the built in pry-bar. Otherwise, there's an article on ITS on how to convert the fatmax into a tactical breaching tool.

 

http://www.itstactic...ar-and-zombies/


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:19 AM

Of those 3 I'd go with the boker.. I don't trust Gerbers quality control anymore and smith and Wesson is pretty much a crapshoot with their non firearm products. I can tell you that the sk5 steel used in the boker is a very good quality material choice for a high impact implement. Another choice I know of off hand is the condor knife and tool Co. Tactical hawk. I don't personally own one but I own several of condors hatchets and larger choppers / machetes and I can say they are damn good tools for the price. I believe the tactical hawk retails for around 60 bucks.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:39 AM

Also 420 hc is not what you want to be using in a prying or impact tool. It's stainless which means it's inevitably going to be a harder material. Hardness is desirable in a knife blade but the trade off is going to be toughness. For this application you want carbon steels hardened in the mid 50s on the Rockwell scale. Sk5, the 10 series steels ( 1075-1095) , 5160, among others are good choices. Stainless steels or even higher chromium tool steels such as d2 are chippy and can be brittle. Would hate it to have a tool such as this fail on you especially in action.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:12 AM

For a GHB, I'd recommend the Cold Steel trailhawk. You could easily carry just the head to save lots of room and fashion a handle from a nearby sapling in just a few minutes. The CS is more of a utilitarian design than most tactical hawks as well. Also if a hawk with a metal handle breaks, you're screwed, with a wooden handle, you're out about 10 minutes.

 

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 02:55 PM

Was looking around a shop the other day and saw a Ontario knife Co ranger series combat hawk. Made me think of this topic. It's a little smaller than the ones you listed but it's not little.. Think it was about 12" overall. Had a nice weight to it. Might want to give it a look. The price was I believe. A hundred.. But that's at a fullblow specialty shop so I'm certain better prices can be had online.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:51 PM

I was seriously entertaining the idea of getting a hawk from RMJ Tactical. But honestly, I can't say that I'll really get that much use out of it. As a breaching tool it's amazing...but I'm not doing much of that, nor does it look like I will for the foreseeable future. So I can't justify spending that much on one. I ended up getting a Dave Barr hammer pole hawk with a hickory handle on it.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:40 PM

I'm personally a fan of the Cold Steel Vietnam Tomahawk. Although I really don't recommend relying on a Hawk as a breaching tool.  



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:42 PM

Ok, I hate guys that do this but I have to be one this time. I would recommend the Pathfinder Hawk (pathfinder store) and a Becker BK3 Tac Tool. A hawk for a serious breach will equal you getting ghost checked before you come close to getting that fatal funnel open. To be honest I am not sure about the BK3s ability to actually do a good breach. I can tell you the Becker line of knives are solid field tools. I guess the biggest question is what/how (dynamic or stealthy) do you want to breach. If it is something u really want to test maybe a couple of the guys would be willing to help. I would be more than happy to do some testing on my end and provide you and the group results. It's up to you.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:13 PM

what kind of buildings are you trying to get into and are you trying to go though the lock or breach the door. If you need that further explained i can  . different tools will get the task done and what is your price point . I would look more on firefighter supply sites as the tools there are designed for the task, and sold  are used for the purpose day in and day out . Also what kind of size and weight do you want .


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:18 PM

for some great info on forcing entry on a structure (building )  check out http://www.vententersearch.com/  It is a great resource that a lot of people the work in the fire service submit info get and get info out of. it help keep us up to date on new construction and how to work around the issues it may cause 


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

Ok, I hate guys that do this but I have to be one this time. I would recommend the Pathfinder Hawk (pathfinder store) and a Becker BK3 Tac Tool. A hawk for a serious breach will equal you getting ghost checked before you come close to getting that fatal funnel open. To be honest I am not sure about the BK3s ability to actually do a good breach. I can tell you the Becker line of knives are solid field tools. I guess the biggest question is what/how (dynamic or stealthy) do you want to breach. If it is something u really want to test maybe a couple of the guys would be willing to help. I would be more than happy to do some testing on my end and provide you and the group results. It's up to you.

I am not intending to utilize a hawk in a dynamic opposed breach. 

 

what kind of buildings are you trying to get into and are you trying to go though the lock or breach the door. If you need that further explained i can  . different tools will get the task done and what is your price point . I would look more on firefighter supply sites as the tools there are designed for the task, and sold  are used for the purpose day in and day out . Also what kind of size and weight do you want .

Basically, I currently live in an area at risk of both earthquake/tsunami.  I understand there is no do all tool but am merely looking at something I can toss in my truck that would assist in gaining entry into a vehicle or structure to provide assistance in the event one of these disasters hit. I very well may end up going with a basic halligan tool although the hawks definitely are sexier ;-)


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:23 PM

I was actually going to suggest the halligan tool after looking at the hawks you posted. Admittedly I should have viewed them before I posted. I actually used a halligan tool while on a volunteer FD in Ca. They work well and since you are keeping it in a vehicle it should work well for you.
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Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:56 PM

Or if you need to do a dynamic breach in a hurry, theres always good ol det cord... ;)
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Posted 01 October 2014 - 06:56 AM

Or if you need to do a dynamic breach in a hurry, theres always good ol det cord... ;)
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This is the good stuff. http://www.thomasfx....oot_p_8424.html

2.5 grains per foot will just tickle the door. 150grains... now we're cooking with gas. Actually the 48 grain variety is the most common, its easy to manage, and will do the job well. 150gr is going to be much thicker and doesn't lend its self to tying as well. But then again, if you can get hold of the 600gr.... Well, overkill is underrated.


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Posted 01 October 2014 - 08:40 AM

Paratech: Pry Axe Multi-Use Forcible Entry Tool - TheFireStore pricey but might give you the sexy you crave with the function you need . they are compact and they can wreck some shit we use them at work here and there. all depends on much shit you wanna carry but a traditional set of irons and a K tool can get you into basic building 90 % of the time .


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 05:12 PM

Paratech: Pry Axe Multi-Use Forcible Entry Tool - TheFireStore pricey but might give you the sexy you crave with the function you need . they are compact and they can wreck some shit we use them at work here and there. all depends on much shit you wanna carry but a traditional set of irons and a K tool can get you into basic building 90 % of the time .

Irons and a K tool? I am assuming you arent refering to a 9 iron?


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 06:17 PM

Irons and a K tool? I am assuming you arent refering to a 9 iron?

 

Just to jump in here real quick... 

 

Irons is firefighter lingo for "Set of Irons" or a "Married Pair" which consists of a standard halligan stored together with a flat headed axe, as seen below. 

 

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A K-Tool is another commonly used forceable entry aid used by firefighters for removing door locks and other fun things, as seen below.

 

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Sorry for the crappy pictures... they were the first ones that popped up on google... 


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