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#1 Corbs

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Posted 07 October 2014 - 03:22 PM

Hi all,
 
Thought I'd share my duty set up after sharing my EDC. Did this at the end of a shift so not as in depth or nicely laid out as that post, I apologise.
 
The base of my setup is a Tactical Tailor Removable Operator Pack. Awesome pack, does what it sets out to perfectly. Formerly my EDC bag.
 
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Front of pack:

  • Flat police cap

Left side:

  • High visibility jacket

 
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Right hand side:

  • Limb restraints (like massive Velcro one-wrap)
  • Belt keeps on the strap when not in use between shifts
  • Led UV button light

 
Inside front pocket:

  • Map of London
  • Charger for phone/flashlight
  • Painkillers, etc.

 
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Inside main compartment:

  • Cereal bar and brew kit (teabags, sugar, instant coffee)
  • Microfleece for wear under body armour
  • UV light
  • TD Coozie, spare notebook
  • Blue dog break stick
  • Muji 'bag in a bag' containing -
    • Front pockets:
      • Paperwork and tickets
      • Pens
      • Breathalyser tubes
      • Spare insignia
      • Spork
    • Pocket behind that:
      • Paperwork
      • Evidence bags
    • Main pocket:
      • Paperwork (see the theme?)
      • Condiments
    • Rear pocket
      • You guessed it, paperwork.
  • Microwave but decent chili and meatball meals.
  • 5.11 water bottle
  • Olaes modular bandage
  • Spare AAA battery for paperwork light

Inside my vest is much more paperwork, med supplies, and my defensive equipment is on my duty belt. The attitudes to kit here are very different to those in the states.


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#2 mangeface

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Posted 07 October 2014 - 04:00 PM

That's pretty cool to see a different country's EDC for LEOs. Thanks for sharing this dude.

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Posted 07 October 2014 - 04:05 PM

First off, thanks for posting and sharing, I always enjoy seeing things from a foreign perspective. 

 

Do you foot patrol or ride in a patrol car and where to you keep this duty pack? Also, is what you carry typical of most uniformed LE over there or do you carry more than most?

 

Any chance you can post pics of your vest as well as your duty belt?

 

Regarding weapons, I know there is vast cultural differences, but do you ever feel like it would be nice to carry a firearm on duty? Do you get to do any firearms training as part of your job or while going through your academy? 

 

Again, thanks for the post!


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Posted 07 October 2014 - 05:58 PM

First off, thanks for posting and sharing, I always enjoy seeing things from a foreign perspective. 

 

Do you foot patrol or ride in a patrol car and where to you keep this duty pack? Also, is what you carry typical of most uniformed LE over there or do you carry more than most?

 

Any chance you can post pics of your vest as well as your duty belt?

 

Regarding weapons, I know there is vast cultural differences, but do you ever feel like it would be nice to carry a firearm on duty? Do you get to do any firearms training as part of your job or while going through your academy? 

 

Again, thanks for the post!

I mostly ride in a car double crewed, we have a much wider variety of vehicles, (most awful) and most officers don't have a permit drive on blues, unlike the US I believe. 

 

What I carry is by no means typical. Many officers have only a sandwich in a cheap maxped knockoff or sports bag, and paperwork. They also would usually take about half an hour to find what they do carry. The things I carry aren't all issued, (break stick, OLAES) and many officers worry about litigation. I can be waiting an hour easily for EMS. I'm not watching a civilian or colleague bleed out while I do, just because I'd rather not get sued. I'm sure I can get a good lawyer.

 

Believe it or not, I wasn't issued a flashlight. Some officers never purchase one and search hostile areas with iPhones. It beggars belief.

 

My vest and belt are less exciting. The vest is an over the armour type, but only holds paperwork, not anything interesting. It holds my radio on a chest mount and a light too. I'll try and get a pic up of my belt soon.

 

Weapons wise, I'd be happy carrying a sidearm, however I have little faith in the training I have already, let alone if they were to train every officer in use of firearms, and the associated use of force law. I can also imagine quite a few situations where it's an advantage to not have that automatic escalation to lethal force. Not having to worry about a glock on my belt is no bad thing in a roll around.


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Posted 07 October 2014 - 06:01 PM

A radio loop on my vest with associated kit:
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Grimloc with cuff key

5.11 Atac PL light (for paperwork on dark streets)

Uni-Power tank (poor man's space pen)


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Posted 07 October 2014 - 09:06 PM

[...]

 

Believe it or not, I wasn't issued a flashlight. Some officers never purchase one and search hostile areas with iPhones. It beggars belief.

 

[...]

 

This just made by brain explode a little bit! A flashlight seems like suck a basic and essential item. Do they let you carry any weapons, Taser, knife, baton? 

 

 If you make contact an armed subject how long would it take to get armed backup on scene with you? 

 

Sorry for all the questions... I'm just always curious to learn about how things work elsewhere. 


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Posted 07 October 2014 - 10:17 PM

I feel for you brother

 

have lots of buddies in my dept who are ex-brit bobbies.

 

if you ever get pissed off and fancy crossing the pond, pm me.

 

that aside, good call on the OLAES bandages.. can you use TQ's? or are they against regs etc?



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 04:51 AM

Davis, we all carry friction lock batons, rigid cuffs, and CS gas (or PAVA spray, depends on the force). Very few officers will have a blade, some might on a multi tool, but it couldn't be defensive.

As for armed backup, afraid that's getting into operational info a bit. Probably not that long in London, worse in the country.

A small number of officers have taser in my force, in others its almost everyone.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 04:53 AM

Stoddy, very specialist officers have TQs but your average patrol cop wouldn't. (But you can guess who's first on scene to shootings and stabbings). I have a swatt in the plate pocket of my vest.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 08:57 AM

Davis, we all carry friction lock batons, rigid cuffs, and CS gas (or PAVA spray, depends on the force). Very few officers will have a blade, some might on a multi tool, but it couldn't be defensive.

As for armed backup, afraid that's getting into operational info a bit. Probably not that long in London, worse in the country.

A small number of officers have taser in my force, in others its almost everyone.

 

Thank's Corbs, and I apologize, I didn't intend to asking anything that would breach your OPSEC, my extreme curiosity got the better of me!


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:03 AM

I love this thread! Its been very interesting to hear how they do it across the pond. Great pics as well...


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 08:13 PM

"You're under arrest!"

"...same team."

"...Fuck it's dark in here."
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#13 Corbs

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 04:12 PM

Thanks for the support all, love that last comment Hidyn, wish it were farther from the truth!
 
As promised, my belt kit.
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From Left to right:

Radio Dock we have radios about the size of a late 90's phone, with the same kind of functionality. They click into docks (klick fast) on vest, jacket, belt etc.

Baton  Issue Monadnock 21" Electroless friction lock. Came with a horrendous holder, made of polyester, that required about three hands to draw from. Replaced with a Moinadnock offering.

Gloves Underarmour tactical blackout gloves for dirty work, but not evidence handling or searching persons

Cuff Key Zak Tool long key on ZT ultimate key holder, in addtion to one on a grimloc on my vest

Glove Pouch containing issued FAK (Resus shield and band-aids, that's it) and nitrile gloves, lots of them.

MT and Drop key issue CS pouch repurposed for my SOG Powerlock Black and fire key, a magic key that opens all communal doors, don't know if you have something similar stateside

Rigid Cuffs  TCH Rigid handcuffs, one pair, can't get another

CS Spray in much better than issued Peter Jones ILG holder.

 

All of the kit that I have is issued to one force or another, but mine is the most stingy in the country, The only issued holder is the cuff holder, everything else is privately purchased, including the belt.


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#14 Corbs

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 02:30 PM

I've done a blog post based on this thread, but tailored to UK LEOs, so please excuse the UK Police specific terminology.

http://corbs.co.uk/2...urity-belt-kit/


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 02:31 PM

Please let me know your thoughts on it, I'd be very interested to hear them.


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 08:38 PM

question bud

 

can you wear eyepro? never did myself until we started going to the sandbox, always wear shades during day and clear at night now, seems more people i deal with have hep-c and hiv.

 

side note, starting to see more Heroin users here in canada now (I know its big in uk) and more needles hidden on people.

 

meth is huge where i work, and cheaper than Crack, but more Heroin is coming in from Quebec and Vancouver.

 

stay safe

 

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 03:12 PM

Odd you should mention it as I've been tempted, but no we can't, aside from specialist duties like firearms or cycling. Drivers can, but must remove sunglasses when dealing with the public.

There's a lot wrong with the UK police perception of kit. Though a sensible precaution, you'd get the piss taken seriousl .

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 05:40 PM

Even if they were regular looking glasses with no prescription? Not "eye pro" per se but better than nothing for sure.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 05:42 AM

I guess you could, one guy at my station has Oakley glasses that are the best of both worlds, thankfully my vision is fine though, and I'm not going to be a hipster in fake glasses!

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 08:15 AM

Thanks a lot for posting this, super insightful! Im more grateful for what my PD allows and provides now!






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