Thanks for the response, and since you're in the minority can you expound a bit further? (also what is IGF?)
Furthermore, WML versus no-light? or WML + freehand light?
I see some logic in perhaps wanting to illuminate the situation before aiming, or even drawing, but if I don't have a 2nd light at all (or at least not one that can be drawn and aimed quickly), or if I still carried the 2nd light in addition to a WML?
I'm leaning toward the FN anyway basically because I think I want a striker fire rather than hammer fire (less snag points for the unholster, though that's never been an issue with my 1911, I like the idea of keeping everything internal),
Wow! That’s a lot of responses; and all of them are very polite. Tell ya what, I’ll do my best to cover all of the points that have been raised; so here we go:
‘IGF’ = Internet Gun Forum.
I am, and I’m sure shall remain, a proponent of using a handheld weapon light whenever a gunman is operating alone. Nothing I said was meant to imply that no tactical light should be used. (I carry a Fenix TK-11, myself.)
Personally, I completely fail to grasp the logic of making my pistol any slower, or anymore cumbersome than it already is; and, for reasons I’m not going to go into now, my usual mode of civilian carry is C-3.
I’ve had this discussion, actually many times, on GlockTalk. Some people get it, and will agree while I really have to say that most don’t. A police officer who frequently works alone stated that, ‘He was on my side of the argument’ and would not deny himself (what he called) ‘the advantage of being able to send his beam in one direction while his muzzle remained free to point elsewhere.’
One of the largest custom Glock builders on the board is a retired police officer. By way of reply he posted that during the last several years he worked in law enforcement he had to follow a fleeing felon into a large dark building. He shined his WML one way, he shined it another; and, ‘Bang!’ the pistol was suddenly shot out of his hands!
It took another officer’s arrival to save his life and capture the criminal. During a later interrogation the felon admitted that he had waited to shoot until the light was off him; and, then, he fired directly at the source of the light - Nice shot, huh! (Think of all the custom Glocks that would have never been built if the felon had been a little shrewder, and fired foot, or so, behind the light source!)
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. Can you explain why I'd want a light not mounted to my weapon in any situation?
Yes, I can. In addition to what’s written above there are, also, other reasons: Typical law enforcement AND military training teaches that a searches should be conducted, primarily, from the low ready weapon position. (with the weapon held at 4:00 o’ clock)
The reason, ‘Why’ a search or clearing exercise should be conducted in this way is to allow the searcher to be able to, ‘locate and assess’ all potential targets as quickly as possible. If your weapon is held at the ready then it’s going to be slower and more difficult for you to, ‘assess’ (make a, ‘shoot/no shoot’ decision) any discovered possible target while half of that target’s body remains covered by your outstretched arms and weapon’s sights.
I'm in the same boat and would like to see a bit more explination here. I definitely understand not wanting to have a WML as your only light source you should always have a handheld in addition to the light mounted on your weapon to prevent the proverbial searching for your keys in a parking lot with your pistol mounted light but I am not sure I see the reason to not have a light mounted to your pistol for concealed carry. I don't currently have one as I have a G26 which doesnt come a rail but i have been considering upgrading to a G19 for more regular carry and mounting a light on it.
As already mentioned: (1) Flexibility, (2) variable pointing directions, and (3) draw speed! Many, but not all, pistol gunfights are actually a lot more like pistol ambushes than they are gunfights.
If you’re a lone operator and you’re pursuing an armed and fleeing felon then - if he’s got more than, ‘half a brain’ or sufficient street experience - the moment your quarry realizes that you’re using a WML he’s going to know exactly what he has to do in order to stop the pursuit! He’ll hold close to cover, allow you to approach, and wait for the light beam AND muzzle to point away from him before he opens fire. It’s, more than likely that it won’t be you who gets out the first several shots - It’ll be your quarry, instead.
THIS IS THE PRINCIPAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A, ‘SUPPORTED’, OR AN, ‘UNSUPPORTED’ SHOOTER! A SUPPORT SHOOTER CAN AFFORD TO TAKE MORE RISKS THAN AN UNSUPPORTED SHOOTER CAN; AND USING A WML IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE RISKS.
I'm having a hard time figuring out this as well.
I like my WML's and they serve a purpose. My G19 has the ability to attach one. I carry my G19 99% of the time without it. If I'm going someplace dark, or where there aren't a lot of lights having a carry gun with the option of a light is nice. I'm likely to only bring one gun traveling, so having the ability to attach one if I want to is a good compromise as I don't know where I'm going to find myself. Also, for movie theaters is another reason a WML might be a nice thing to have. Essentially, if you think you might need a light in a defensive situation and need a hand free, a WML fits the bill. It probably shouldn't be your search light, use a momentary handheld for that. But if something goes bump in the night, you have your family accounted for and you need a free hand for the kids or something, being able to target identify is really necessary. I would upgrade your EDC light. you can get nice single CR123 lights for ~$50, with a momentary tailcap, +200 lumens OTF. Take a low light shooting course. It will change how you look at things. In other words if this is going to be you daily carry and your HD gun and you plan on taking it out of the holster, putting the light on, and then repeating the process backwards in the morning go for it. If you hike, camp, especially overnight and it's going to be your sidearm, I would also suggest it. .......
No doubt about it: There is definitely a place in modern small arms methodology and technique for the use of tactical lights. The question(s) I’ve raised here concern: (1) Which type of either handheld, or weapon-mounted light to use, and (2) when to use it,
TO YOUR GREATEST, SAFEST, AND MOST EFFECTIVE PERSONAL ADVANTAGE.
I, also, carry either a G-19, or a G-21, and (as I’ve already indicated) a handheld Fenix tac light. As for using a weapon-mounted light inside a darkened movie theater? (Where did this come from …… the James Holmes massacre?) I’ll only say that of all the things I might have done if I’d, somehow, been caught in James Holmes’, ‘target audience’ attempting to light him up with a WML is the very last thing I ever would have thought of!
At the very least you’ve got to look for, ‘open lines and angles of fire’ while you wait for the audience to start ducking their heads. You can very loudly shout, ‘Get down!’ while you’re waiting to fire; but drawing attention to myself by turning that light on? Never!
(I honestly believe that you’re chances of prevailing in a gunfight like the one James Holmes correctly anticipated would be less than 50/50 against you the moment you turned your light on; AND, everybody in your immediate seating area would be, ‘gone’ too!)
Hopefully, I’ve answered everyone's questions. Thank you for your courtesy.
Edited by Silver Bullet, 20 August 2015 - 05:21 PM.