Which Camouflage is Right for You? ITS Tactical Camouflage Comparison II Results

by August 4, 2010 08/4/10
Camo Comparison 2 Setting

We know you guys have been eagerly awaiting our Camo Comparision II results, and today we’ll be releasing our preliminary comparison images.

We’re asking for your help to cast your vote on which four patterns you find to be the most effective in the terrain locations below.

As there are close to 200 images contained below, we need to narrow them down into the four most visually effective patterns before we release the further analysis on each of those respective patterns. If you remember from our previous article on Target Detection and Identification, there are many other ways to analyze a pattern other than what the naked eye sees.

Without further adieu, we present our preliminary Camo Comparison II images and look forward to your feedback. Please cast your votes in the polls at the end of each location.

Comparison Specifics

We were able to wrap up our 2nd Camo Comparison in a matter of one day (19 Jul 10) at Big Bend National Park in Texas, which was the closest location to us that we felt simulated Afghanistan terrain. While the entire trip took three days, we started our 10-hour drive early enough to use the first day to scout locations and make things easier on the day we shot the images. If you haven’t read the adventures we encountered along the way click here!

The comparison took place in four locations (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta) and four distances made possible by optical camera zoom. All photos were shot on a tripod with a Canon EOS 40d using a Canon EF-S 17-85mm f4-5.6 IS USM. We tried to shoot as close to f16 as possible, which we’ve found to be the sweet spot for focus and depth of field on this particular lens.

50mm is closest to what the eye sees naturally and is represented by Distance 3 in each location. Distance 1 was an extreme wide angle at 17mm, Distance 2 was a wide angle at 30mm, and Distance 4 was a medium telephoto at 85mm. While we kept the optical zoom levels consistent, the distance we were shooting from varied in each location as described below. Details on each location such as time, date and GPS coordinates are also shown below.

Camouflage Patterns Used

In each set you’ll first see our control image, which is a shot of the white mannequin we used sans camouflage.

Each of the 12 camouflage patterns was placed on a torso mannequin and each location was completed in a matter of just 20-30 minutes. This was to ensure that the lighting was realitively the same for each image. Full sun was the best description of the shooting conditions.

The white balance for the photos was custom set using an 18% Grey Card in each location. The photos have not been altered in any way by Photoshop or any other editing program and do not include our watermark. They have been resized to 1024 x 1024 though.

Larger images are available on our Flickr Account but are copyrighted and not free to use without permission. For more specifics on our images you can view the properties on each individual image on Flickr. Please contact if you need high-resolution use of our images.

What’s also great about Flickr is that you can view our sets as a slideshow. If you click the first image in the sets below, it will bring up a viewer that will allow you to easily move to the next picture by clicking on the arrow that will be visible when hovering on the right side of the image. This should be just as easy as the Flickr slideshow.

Location Alpha

In Location Alpha we tried to find a mountainous terrain that closely resembled the mountains of Afghanistan. The camera baseline distance was set at approx. 100 yards away, thus distance three would be the closest to what the eye would truly see. Location Alpha was shot on 19 July from 0800 to 0830. GPS Coordinates: 29 25.523 -103 08.551

Please cast your vote on which four patterns you find to be the most effective at the end of each terrain location. The polls will allow four (4) multiple choice selections.

Distance 1

Click here to view Distance 1 Set on Flickr

Distance 2

Click here to view Distance 2 Set on Flickr

Distance 3

Click here to view Distance 3 Set on Flickr

Distance 4

Click here to view Distance 4 Set on Flickr

Poll

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Location Bravo

In Location Bravo we attempted to simulate a plains area with a mountainous background. The camera baseline distance was set at approx. 50 yards away, thus distance three would be the closest to what the eye would truly see. Location Bravo was shot on 19 July from 0945 to 1015. GPS Coordinates: 29 25.145 -103 08.255

Please cast your vote on which four patterns you find to be the most effective at the end of each terrain location. The polls will allow four (4) multiple choice selections.

Distance 1

Click here to view Distance 1 Set on Flickr

Distance 2

Click here to view Distance 2 Set on Flickr

Distance 3

Click here to view Distance 3 Set on Flickr

Distance 4

Click here to view Distance 4 Set on Flickr

Poll

Click here to vote.

Location Charlie

In Location Charlie we tried to find a terrain that resembled a wash. The camera baseline distance was set at approx. 25 yards away, thus distance three would be the closest to what the eye would truly see. Location Charlie was shot on 19 July from 1115 to 1145. GPS Coordinates: 29 25.059 -103 08.464

Please cast your vote on which four patterns you find to be the most effective at the end of each terrain location. The polls will allow four (4) multiple choice selections.

Distance 1

Click here to view Distance 1 Set on Flickr

Distance 2

Click here to view Distance 2 Set on Flickr

Distance 3

Click here to view Distance 3 Set on Flickr

Distance 4

Click here to view Distance 4 Set on Flickr

Poll

Click here to vote.

Location Delta

In Location Delta we tried to find an area that resembled a valley or grazing area. We fell this location is very important to the overall comparison, as it specifically shows what strong shadows from directly overhead sun do to camouflage. The camera baseline distance was set at approx. 75 yards away, thus distance three would be the closest to what the eye would truly see. Location Delta was shot on 19 July from 1300 to 1330. GPS Coordinates: 29 24.329 -103 08.501

Please cast your vote on which four patterns you find to be the most effective at the end of each terrain location. The polls will allow four (4) multiple choice selections.

Distance 1

Click here to view Distance 1 Set on Flickr

Distance 2

Click here to view Distance 2 Set on Flickr

Distance 3

Click here to view Distance 3 Set on Flickr

Distance 4

Click here to view Distance 4 Set on Flickr

Poll

Click here to vote.

Plans for the future?

We hope to continue to develop and refine our technique for comparing camouflage patterns and bring our readers the results. While this comparison was completed in just one day, there was a lot of coordinating, planning and driving that went into bringing you these results.

This wouldn’t of been possible if not for the support of our members and the camouflage companies like Bulldog Tactical, Digital Concealment Systems, and PenCott that graciously sent us uniforms to use in the comparison. The SAF Digital and Japanese Flecktarn were also donated by one of our Plank Owners, Eric Chevalier.

We’d like to thank our friend Jack from The Survival Podcast for his hard work and input on this project, as this wouldn’t have happened without him (and his truck). Also, a huge thank you to Riaan Rossouw for his continued support and advice in all things camouflage.

Stay tuned for further comparison using the four patterns that our readers choose!


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Cascade Mojo
Cascade Mojo

Could use some woodland pics for us Pacific NorthWest people. 


Mark
Mark

Seeing in an arid area really does nothing for me, being from Missouri. I would like to see how different patterns hold up in a more green wooded area, like we have in summer.

Alex
Alex

Atacs and Multicam come out as the best, unfortunately there's a big split - once you get into greener, more lush, environments multicam seems to be the winner, but if you're sticking to yellow grass and desert atacs beats it hands down.

Shawn
Shawn

ATACS is the one for me, IMO the best compromise. It'll be on me when I bug out.

1/75 RGR
1/75 RGR

the DCU's and Desert MARPAT are going to be your most adventageous selection for this study. the Mirage camo would most likely be your second best choice following the first two. However, seeing a profusion of warfare is now conducted inside conurbations in todays real world conflicts we need to focus our attention in this realm. I would really like to see some urban camo test conducted and see which pattern is most conducive to that environment.

jae
jae

mc/desert marpat/ 3c

Norm
Norm

DCU obviously excelled against the desert backgrounds as demonstrated in the Alpha and Charlie scenarios. When shrubbery was the background as in the Bravo scenario, IMO, pretty much all of the non desert type cammo patterns were "good" to "very good".

One problem with the test was allowing the angle of the light source to vary amongst the scenarios and in all cases, allowing shadows to form on the mannequins. Scenario Delta is the most problematic with the sun directly overhead causing signficant silhouetting of the mannequins and significantly negating the benefits of all of the cammo patterns. Fundamental to photography is having the light source behind the photographer. For testing purposes, all the scenarios should have been photographed using a constant light source angle, ideally directly behind the photographer.

All of the scenarios were photographed in non overcast sunny conditions. So, limited testing yields limited results for evaluation. A far more thorogh test of the cammo patterns would include other lighting conditions such as overcast/gray, dawn, dusk, night time with artificial illumination, and perhaps IR too. The most glarring omission of the test was not having scenarios depicting dense foliage perhaps allowing the "greener" cammo patterns to excel.

Recommend performing the test again but with better control of lighting, in varying ambient lighting conditions, and with the inclusion of foliage scenarios too.

my $.02

Norm

Norm
Norm

DCU obviously excelled against the desert backgrounds as demonstrated in the Alpha and Charlie scenarios. When shrubbery was the background as in the Bravo scenario, IMO, pretty much all of the non desert type cammo patterns were "good" to "very good". One problem with the test was allowing the angle of the light source to vary amongst the scenarios and in all cases, allowing shadows to form on the mannequins. Scenario Delta is the most problematic with the sun directly overhead causing signficant silhouetting of the mannequins and significantly negating the benefits of all of the cammo patterns. Fundamental to photography is having the light source behind the photographer. For testing purposes, all the scenarios should have been photographed using a constant light source angle, ideally directly behind the photographer. All of the scenarios were photographed in non overcast sunny conditions. So, limited testing yields limited results for evaluation. A far more thorogh test of the cammo patterns would include other lighting conditions such as overcast/gray, dawn, dusk, night time with artificial illumination, and perhaps IR too. The most glarring omission of the test was not having scenarios depicting dense foliage perhaps allowing the "greener" cammo patterns to excel. Recommend performing the test again but with better control of lighting, in varying ambient lighting conditions, and with the inclusion of foliage scenarios too. my $.02 Norm

Steve
Steve

Hi,

Great test. I think you should include CADPAT AR and possibly TW into the comparison. It was the first digital pattern in use, in fact ACU and MARPAT copy the same digital pattern, and I think it still is the best concealment for militaries that can afford two patterns, and consists of excellent colors.

-Steve

Steve
Steve

Hi, Great test. I think you should include CADPAT AR and possibly TW into the comparison. It was the first digital pattern in use, in fact ACU and MARPAT copy the same digital pattern, and I think it still is the best concealment for militaries that can afford two patterns, and consists of excellent colors. -Steve

Dan C
Dan C

Well I think this test has shown us that there isn't a one size to fit all for a pattern to use. I though that when the Air Force changed to the New Tiger stripe pattern. And where I was stationed at clearly Woodland pattern was still the best. You guys did a nice job of giving us a look at the same area with the different uniforms.

JohnnyB
JohnnyB

Hey guys. Great site, great comparisons. In the future, would it be possible to see some urban settings? Developed urban, not Afghan urban - New York, LA, Chicago types. I ask this for a couple reasons.

First, there are many rumors about the ineffectiveness of camouflage patterns in developed urban settings. There are probably just as many rumors about how certain patterns - like desert MARPAT and MultiCam - work wonderfully in urban settings whereas 'urban' schemes dont work at all. Finally, there are a number of LE agencies (I am a cop) that use assorted schemes - including slate gray and OD - for tactical purposes. It would be interesting to see them all compared side-by-side.

So, I'd like to propose a well developed major urban setting (street scenes, alleys, rooftops, commercial building exteriors) for a comparison. For camo, I'm thinking OD, slate gray, Mirage, MultiCam, Derert MARPAT, subdued urban didgital and/or NWU, and ATACS.

Thoughts?

JohnnyB
JohnnyB

Hey guys. Great site, great comparisons. In the future, would it be possible to see some urban settings? Developed urban, not Afghan urban - New York, LA, Chicago types. I ask this for a couple reasons. First, there are many rumors about the ineffectiveness of camouflage patterns in developed urban settings. There are probably just as many rumors about how certain patterns - like desert MARPAT and MultiCam - work wonderfully in urban settings whereas 'urban' schemes dont work at all. Finally, there are a number of LE agencies (I am a cop) that use assorted schemes - including slate gray and OD - for tactical purposes. It would be interesting to see them all compared side-by-side. So, I'd like to propose a well developed major urban setting (street scenes, alleys, rooftops, commercial building exteriors) for a comparison. For camo, I'm thinking OD, slate gray, Mirage, MultiCam, Derert MARPAT, subdued urban didgital and/or NWU, and ATACS. Thoughts?

jesse
jesse

I think they should incorporate plain coyote brown and plain desert tan . It's not realy a camoflauge but it is the color of most of the world. brownish green or greenish brown.

Eric S.
Eric S.

The nice thing about Multicam is you could go from those locations in Texas (Afghanistan) to here in Florida and do well in both (IMO).

I think you did a great job and I know this took a lot of time to put together.

Eric S.
Eric S.

The nice thing about Multicam is you could go from those locations in Texas (Afghanistan) to here in Florida and do well in both (IMO). I think you did a great job and I know this took a lot of time to put together.

Cpl A
Cpl A

Recently got back from the 'green zone' strip of relatively fertile Helmand valley, and I must say that Big Bend, or southern Colorado isn't a bad representation at all. Some desert outposts are arid moonscapes, but other areas where we can win hearts and minds are the agricultural centers - up north it's got to be a different story entirely - a purely desert pattern isn't going to work for every application, but in a desert nothing works better.

I never found our MARPAT to be severely lacking, but outside the gravel on FOBs and COPs, I must reemphasize how much ACU wasn't up to the task. The guys running Crye patterned gear actually blended in somewhat - didn't see ATACS or other newer stuff, so this is a fantastic resource.

Remember, even though most stuff is still poo colored brown and can have a camouflage color to match, the tendency of ALL NATO forces is to roll up in huge tactical vehicles, and walk around with 3' long sticks that are target indicator black.

Cpl A
Cpl A

Recently got back from the 'green zone' strip of relatively fertile Helmand valley, and I must say that Big Bend, or southern Colorado isn't a bad representation at all. Some desert outposts are arid moonscapes, but other areas where we can win hearts and minds are the agricultural centers - up north it's got to be a different story entirely - a purely desert pattern isn't going to work for every application, but in a desert nothing works better. I never found our MARPAT to be severely lacking, but outside the gravel on FOBs and COPs, I must reemphasize how much ACU wasn't up to the task. The guys running Crye patterned gear actually blended in somewhat - didn't see ATACS or other newer stuff, so this is a fantastic resource. Remember, even though most stuff is still poo colored brown and can have a camouflage color to match, the tendency of ALL NATO forces is to roll up in huge tactical vehicles, and walk around with 3' long sticks that are target indicator black.

gunnergoz
gunnergoz

Nicely done test, but I can't help but feel that in some ways we were being asked to pick out uniforms based upon their reflectivity and not their patterns. I tried to pull back and take a blurry sort of look and what I noticed was that some uniforms stood out as too dark and some as too light for a particular terrain. In most series it came down to picking between one or two that best handled the relative light in the background. The patterns seemed to matter less than the light reflection quality of the garment.

RIP
RIP

To jump in:

The pictures of the test locations look pretty accurate for the parts of Afghanistan I saw. Until two months ago I was in a more desertlike part of the helmand river valley just a few kilometers to the southeast of Marjeh (and went into Marjeh itself a few times).

Once spring came, yes, vegitation grew up, and the poppy fields and trees and bushes and such are quite green, and yes, we did stand out (In desert MARPAT FROGs, with coyote tan gear) in those specific locations. But it would have made very little sense for us to wear our greens instead, the locations of vegitation are the exception, not the norm, even in that lush, well-irrigated area. Maybe northern Afghanistan is different, but Helmand is definetly desert.

Universal camoflauge is an oxymoron. It's a stretch to just have two patterns, but I'm pretty impressed with MARPAT.

Lastly, if I have to have gear that's either too dark or too light for the environment, anyone who's made a ghillie suit will tell you it's better to start light and darken with local soil and vegitation.

Thanks for the work Bryan.

TASurvivalism
TASurvivalism

This is a really good idea. I'd like to see how some patterns (multicam in particular) fair in a blind test. That said, I do agree with Steve H. Although I think multicam is highly overrated, it performed quite well in this test environment.

kid karma
kid karma

Great job guys, really enjoyed this.

I actually think the shadows in location Delta provide some helpful feedback. After all, you aren't trying to make the camo look good, you are trying to compare patterns in real environments.

Definitely helps separate the "tacti-cool" from the tactical.

kid karma
kid karma

Great job guys, really enjoyed this. I actually think the shadows in location Delta provide some helpful feedback. After all, you aren't trying to make the camo look good, you are trying to compare patterns in real environments. Definitely helps separate the "tacti-cool" from the tactical.

zlong
zlong

Great job guys!

One request - I wonder if you could put the pattern name in the image title, or a number that correlates to the pattern name on the voting box...I found myself counting a lot, and double checking to ensure I was voting on the right pattern/image.

Once again, great info you have presented here. Clearly this comparison was not meant to cover all terrain types, and the locations you selected are VERY appropriate for what is found throughout the vast majority of Afghanistan.

zlong
zlong

Great job guys! One request - I wonder if you could put the pattern name in the image title, or a number that correlates to the pattern name on the voting box...I found myself counting a lot, and double checking to ensure I was voting on the right pattern/image. Once again, great info you have presented here. Clearly this comparison was not meant to cover all terrain types, and the locations you selected are VERY appropriate for what is found throughout the vast majority of Afghanistan.

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

Look man, there's no reason to apologize and you said what you said. I'm not going to deny there's green in Afghanistan just like you can't deny there's green in our Camo Comparison.

If you take a look at the satellite image from that map you'll see exactly what percentage of that area is "lush" with vegetation, a small one. This is exactly why it's hard to have a true "multi-environment" camouflage in Afghanistan.

You'll need to go back and look at our photos again because the "typical" terrain they were against was not sand.

I appreciate the follow up,

~ Bryan

r1p_c0rd
r1p_c0rd

Hi Brian,

After reading you response then reading my post back I can see why I have offended you and I apologise.

I certainly don't have any motives as you I have no vested intrest in the comparison other that seening how well the patterns you are comparing stack up to one another. The point I was hoping to make was a similar point discussed on strikehold : http://strikehold.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/afghan-camo-the-british-controversy/. I noticed that although the locations selected were fairly diverse, the placement of the patterns was typically against sand so of course the desert patterns will do very well.

Again I apologise for the way I articulatd my last post.

r1p_c0rd
r1p_c0rd

Hi Brian, After reading you response then reading my post back I can see why I have offended you and I apologise. I certainly don't have any motives as you I have no vested intrest in the comparison other that seening how well the patterns you are comparing stack up to one another. The point I was hoping to make was a similar point discussed on strikehold : http://strikehold.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/afghan-camo-the-british-controversy/. I noticed that although the locations selected were fairly diverse, the placement of the patterns was typically against sand so of course the desert patterns will do very well. Again I apologise for the way I articulatd my last post.

r1p_c0rd
r1p_c0rd

I just wanted to add one more point...

I really appreciate the work that has gone into this camo comparison (I am developing my own pattern and Riaan has given me a lot of help with the technical aspect and understanding his high standards, I too am having to do similar evaluations). So I feel bad about being

the guy that casts a shadow over the validity of the test but one of the reasons for the test in the first place was to address the fact that the patterns originally selected for Afghinstan were based on cliche perceptions of the terrain, and experience operating in the wide

spectrum of the Afgan terrain has proven those patterns less than ideal which created a lot of cntroversy and in turn spawened a lot of competitiion in the camouflgae industry resulting in numerous new "multi-environmental" patterns.

So environments were selected that were considered similar to Afghan terrain but the interesting thing is that the "multi environmental" patterns aren't doing as well as we would expect yet the environment specific desert patterns are doing very well...

Over the last few years the internet has been flooded with photos of soldiers in Afghanitan wearing desert patterns set against a suprisingly green backdrop to draw attention to the fact that these patterns are not appropriate for such terrain. After looking over the locations

for the comparisons it seems unfair to not have this kind of terrain represented. After all of the hard work that has gone into this test it would be a shame to conclude that Afghanistan is a desert and the desert specific patterns are the most effective for such an environment

which would contradict the point of the comparison in the first place.

r1p_c0rd
r1p_c0rd

I just wanted to add one more point... I really appreciate the work that has gone into this camo comparison (I am developing my own pattern and Riaan has given me a lot of help with the technical aspect and understanding his high standards, I too am having to do similar evaluations). So I feel bad about being the guy that casts a shadow over the validity of the test but one of the reasons for the test in the first place was to address the fact that the patterns originally selected for Afghinstan were based on cliche perceptions of the terrain, and experience operating in the wide spectrum of the Afgan terrain has proven those patterns less than ideal which created a lot of cntroversy and in turn spawened a lot of competitiion in the camouflgae industry resulting in numerous new "multi-environmental" patterns. So environments were selected that were considered similar to Afghan terrain but the interesting thing is that the "multi environmental" patterns aren't doing as well as we would expect yet the environment specific desert patterns are doing very well... Over the last few years the internet has been flooded with photos of soldiers in Afghanitan wearing desert patterns set against a suprisingly green backdrop to draw attention to the fact that these patterns are not appropriate for such terrain. After looking over the locations for the comparisons it seems unfair to not have this kind of terrain represented. After all of the hard work that has gone into this test it would be a shame to conclude that Afghanistan is a desert and the desert specific patterns are the most effective for such an environment which would contradict the point of the comparison in the first place.

Cdt Gillies
Cdt Gillies

Fantastic work as always guys! Are you guys planning on doing anymore of these comparisons? If you are, I'd be more than happy to send over some Australian DPCU and DPDU

VAJT
VAJT

Desert MARPAT was the overall winner with ATACS coming second. Would be nice to compare it to the new PenCott Badlands camo and the new Italian multi-environment Vegetacam. Would also be interesting to test some of the multi-environment Hyperstealth patterns.

Great job by all!

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

JohnnyB, we've definitely considered doing an Urban Camo Comparison as well. Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions!

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

Hey brother, thanks for the comment and insight!

Mike Petrucci
Mike Petrucci

Not to jump in but I was looking at the pics again and feel locations Bravo and Delta show a good mix of color.

Since I've never been to Afghanistan myself the most logical thing to do was a Google Image Search for "Afghanistan" and the pics I come up with are actually pretty darn close to the locations in this camo comparison.

Do the search yourself! http://www.google.com

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

Look man, there's no reason to apologize and you said what you said. I'm not going to deny there's green in Afghanistan just like you can't deny there's green in our Camo Comparison. If you take a look at the satellite image from that map you'll see exactly what percentage of that area is "lush" with vegetation, a small one. This is exactly why it's hard to have a true "multi-environment" camouflage in Afghanistan. You'll need to go back and look at our photos again because the "typical" terrain they were against was not sand. I appreciate the follow up, ~ Bryan

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

I'll attempt to be as diplomatic with my response as I can be, but when you call into question the "validity of the (comparison, not test)," I have to question your motives. Especially when you're developing your own Camouflage pattern.

We have no motive with our comparison other than to show people our results. We're not employed by any Camouflage Company, nor are we developing our own. This is a 100% unbiased test of the patterns we could allocate for the comparison.

The environments we selected were based on exhaustive research in pouring over images that were sent to us by guys downrange, and what we could find scouring the internet. I'm not sure how "green" an environment needs to be to simulate Afghanistan, but I feel we hit it pretty good. Is it a perfect match? Of course not, this isn't Afghanistan, and this we can't afford to send a camera crew there.

Just because the multi-environment camouflage patterns haven't been rated as highly as other patterns doesn't mean anything more than that's what readers feel is best for the terrain in the photos. Period.

Our Camouflage Comparisons are continually evolving, and each one is getting better as we go along. Your feedback is appreciated and we'll take it into consideration on our next one, but for you to assume that this comparison concludes that Afghanistan is a desert is just ridiculous.

~ Bryan

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

I'll attempt to be as diplomatic with my response as I can be, but when you call into question the "validity of the (comparison, not test)," I have to question your motives. Especially when you're developing your own Camouflage pattern. We have no motive with our comparison other than to show people our results. We're not employed by any Camouflage Company, nor are we developing our own. This is a 100% unbiased test of the patterns we could allocate for the comparison. The environments we selected were based on exhaustive research in pouring over images that were sent to us by guys downrange, and what we could find scouring the internet. I'm not sure how "green" an environment needs to be to simulate Afghanistan, but I feel we hit it pretty good. Is it a perfect match? Of course not, this isn't Afghanistan, and this we can't afford to send a camera crew there. Just because the multi-environment camouflage patterns haven't been rated as highly as other patterns doesn't mean anything more than that's what readers feel is best for the terrain in the photos. Period. Our Camouflage Comparisons are continually evolving, and each one is getting better as we go along. Your feedback is appreciated and we'll take it into consideration on our next one, but for you to assume that this comparison concludes that Afghanistan is a desert is just ridiculous. ~ Bryan

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

Gillies,

Definitely planning on doing more and would love to include AUSCAM, shoot us an email and we'll work out the specifics. Thanks for your support!

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

Gillies, Definitely planning on doing more and would love to include AUSCAM, shoot us an email and we'll work out the specifics. Thanks for your support!

Mike Petrucci
Mike Petrucci

Not to jump in but I was looking at the pics again and feel locations Bravo and Delta show a good mix of color. Since I've never been to Afghanistan myself the most logical thing to do was a Google Image Search for "Afghanistan" and the pics I come up with are actually pretty darn close to the locations in this camo comparison. Do the search yourself! http://www.google.com

RIP
RIP

To jump in: The pictures of the test locations look pretty accurate for the parts of Afghanistan I saw. Until two months ago I was in a more desertlike part of the helmand river valley just a few kilometers to the southeast of Marjeh (and went into Marjeh itself a few times). Once spring came, yes, vegitation grew up, and the poppy fields and trees and bushes and such are quite green, and yes, we did stand out (In desert MARPAT FROGs, with coyote tan gear) in those specific locations. But it would have made very little sense for us to wear our greens instead, the locations of vegitation are the exception, not the norm, even in that lush, well-irrigated area. Maybe northern Afghanistan is different, but Helmand is definetly desert. Universal camoflauge is an oxymoron. It's a stretch to just have two patterns, but I'm pretty impressed with MARPAT. Lastly, if I have to have gear that's either too dark or too light for the environment, anyone who's made a ghillie suit will tell you it's better to start light and darken with local soil and vegitation. Thanks for the work Bryan.

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