The RECOIL Magazine 2nd Amendment Controversy

by September 9, 2012 09/9/12

An unfortunate turn of events has occurred surrounding the latest issue of RECOIL Magazine. Everyone at ITS HQ was ecstatic when we received our copies of issue #4 and saw our ETA Trauma Kit Pouch gracing the cover along with a slung H&K MP7A1.

So ecstatic in fact, that we didn’t catch the glaring editorial and PR train wreck that Editor Jerry Tsai managed to insert into the article covering the MP7.  I’ll quote him directly here for those of you that haven’t seen the article yet.

“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”

The issues with this statement come down to both the comments made by Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch and Mr. Tsai. Talking about the technology of the MP7 not having any “sporting applications” and not wanting the gun “in the wrong, slimy hands.” is just absurd. What gun do you want in the “wrong, slimy hands?” What baseball bat do you want in the “wrong, slimy hands?” See where this is going?

There’s a favorite quote of mine that I turn to often by author Dan Brown. “Knowledge is a tool, and like all tools, it’s impact is in the hands of the user.” Enough of my soapbox; this statement by Mr. Tsai is simply giving those that seek to take away our rights and liberties more fuel for their fire. The Second Amendment doesn’t come with the caveat of being only for sporting purposes and for good reason. The primary purpose for owning a gun is for defense. Maybe Mr. Tsai has forgotten that if it wasn’t for civilian weapons, we’d still be a British colony.

I’ve been watching the train wreck unfold since finding out about it this weekend and Mr. Tsai’s follow-up that he posted to the RECOIL Facebook Page yesterday (that has apparently been deleted) certainly didn’t help anything.



”As readers of RECOIL, we all agree that we love bad-ass hardware, there’s no question about that. I believe that in a perfect world, all of us should have access to every kind of gadget that we desire. Believe me, being a civvie myself, I’d love to be able to get my hands on an MP7A1 of my own regardless of its stated purpose, but unfortunately the reality is that it isn’t available to us. As a fellow enthusiast, I know how frustrating it is to want something only to be denied it.

Its manufacturer has not made the gun available to the general public and when we asked if it would ever come to the commercial market, they replied that it is strictly a military and law enforcement weapon, adding that there are no sporting applications for it. Is it wrong that HK decided against selling a full-auto pocket sized machine gun that can penetrate armor from hundreds of yards away? It’s their decision to make and their decision they have to live with not mine nor anybody else’s.

I accepted their answer for what it was out of respect for those serving in uniform.

I believe that we as gun enthusiasts should respect our brothers in law enforcement, agency work and the military and also keep them out of harms way. Like HK, I wouldn’t want to see one of these slip into the wrong hands either. Whether or not you agree with this is fine. I am compelled to explain a point that I was trying to make that may have not been clear.”

One of the truly disappointing things about his statements is that he did it on the backs of RECOIL’s advertisers, readers and everyone that’s made the publication what it is today. ITS has advertised in RECOIL for the past two issues amongst some of our good friends in the industry and on Friday had plans to continue to advertise in the next issue. In light of Mr. Tsai’s comments, we’ve since cancelled those plans.

RECOIL represented a huge shift for the industry into a beautiful publication with great photography and an excellent layout, which is no easy feat. Just picking up RECOIL and comparing it to the typical magazine sitting on the shelf made you want to hang on to it, but I digress.

It will be even more disappointing if Source Interlink Media (RECOIL’s parent company) feels this will just go away as they continue on with business as usual. Continuing with an editor that expresses these kind of statements in a “gun lifestyle” magazine is clearly the wrong direction.

Thank you for your continued support of ITS Tactical, it means more than you’ll ever know.
Bryan Black, Founder and Editor-in-Chief  


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RaymondSpiller
RaymondSpiller

Sub canceled. I've never liked H&K and it hasn't ever had anything to with firearm quality. It's their elitist D-bag attitude that screams, 'we aren't really here for you, but we'll take your money if you'd like to purchase an over priced pistol - you just can't have our good stuff..'


Wish I'd read this sooner, lol..

Titanbear
Titanbear

The bottom line is I will still buy this magazine, it's the best out there as far as quality design. Do I always agree, no, but it doesn't preclude me from enjoying the overall mag. As far as the 2nd Amendment, every law abiding citizen (not temporary or non-permanent) should be able to own any class of firearm for his or her defense of their home, family and constitutional rights. Freedom of speech in the 1st, freedom to prevent the government from taking that speech in the 2nd and not having to quarter those government troops in the 3rd! It's not whether we defend ourselves from "slimy hands" but government slimy hands. Have what they have and more. Can't defend yourself against assault rifles with flint locks!! 

Pete in Alaska
Pete in Alaska

And just a comment about all those firearms that "can't be sold to the public in general". There is actually a number of states that allow the sale of Class III firearms to privet ownership. This includes the MP7A1 and some of his brothers an sisters like the MP5, MP10, Uzi and others of the same family tree. Of course that means that you are lucky enough to live in one of the great States of this Republic that still believes in the 2nd and trust their law abiding firearm owners. These are states that have not been infected by fear and knee jerk reactionary politics or by the excessive need for control of the voting public by the Fienstienian/Obama Uber Liberal National Socialistic Movement in their drive to make the Republic over in there image and political ideology.

So, maybe if you want to own of these Class III platforms maybe you should consider moving to AZ or WYO. Just saying . . . . .

Pete in Alaska
Pete in Alaska

And just a comment about all those firearms that "can't be sold to the public in general". There is actually a number of states that allow the sale of Class III firearms to privet ownership. This includes the MP7A1 and some of his brothers an sisters like the MP5, MP10, Uzi and others of the same family tree. Of course that means that you are lucky enough to live in one of the great States of this Republic that still believes in the 2nd and trust their law abiding firearm owners. These are states that have not been infected by fear and knee jerk reactionary politics or by the excessive need for control of the voting public by the Fienstienian/Obama Uber Liberal National Socialistic Movement in their drive to make the Republic over in there image and political ideology. So, maybe if you want to own of these Class III platforms maybe you should consider moving to AZ or WYO. Just saying . . . . .

Pete in Alaska
Pete in Alaska

Soooooo here we are months down this road. What's going on with this issue? Are we getting a new editor? Has his been cleared up and settled? Inquiring minds an all.

Pete sends . . .

Pete in Alaska
Pete in Alaska

Soooooo here we are months down this road. What's going on with this issue? Are we getting a new editor? Has his been cleared up and settled? Inquiring minds an all. Pete sends . . .

Rocco G
Rocco G

You should turn in the drugs you find instead of using them.

Rocco G
Rocco G

Chicks aren't that smart. Just look at the majority that voted for Obuma.

Mac
Mac

I have to say that from my perspective, this whole thing was blown WAY out of proportion. As an inner city narcotics investigator in a drug squad, I don't have any problem with the comments made by Jerry Tsai. I served in the US Army as a infantryman overseas, and I strongly believe in Americas 2nd Amendment... However, I agree with the simple statements that this gun should not end up in the wrong hands. If you are offended by the phrase "slimy hands" maybe there is something wrong with you and you shouldn't own any guns at all! There is no "sporting" purpose for a rifle caliber sub machine gun with armor piercing capabilities. Yes, we'd all like to own and shoot one of these... but the truth is that in my district alone, we have seized hundreds of stolen guns this year (during drug raids and felony vehicle stops) including law enforcement weapons like the Mp5. That's ONE district out of 9. Work in my shoes and you'd feel a little differently.

Chelsea
Chelsea

I disagree with you. I also am an avid gun enthusiast and LOVE this magazine. What are you trying to do? Kill this amazingly awesome magazine in its infancy? You are the ones at fault here. Have you been infiltrated by anti-gun lobbyists or have you knocked your noggin? The fact that this magazine brings to light guns not sold to civvies should tell you that the opinion of Jerry Tsai is that us civvies should know about them. Duh. So don't get your panties in a wad, boys. Imagine the civvies being from another country and hostile toward those whom this gun is made specifically for. Now can you see what this article is showing you? This gun is cool. End of story.

Daniel J. Hull, MD
Daniel J. Hull, MD

I think that the editor must be a liberal minded type who can best judge what is best for us from his chair. If you are of like mind please vote for Obama. I on the other hand I love shooting and firearms. I enjoy my

Hk 45 sitting on my desk as I write this. I enjoy my LWRCI M6 with ET tech scope and all the other firearms, knives, and equipment that I train with as a civilian. I frequently shoot with other civilians, military and DOD guys. You need a new editor! He obviously does not understand the Shooting Life Style or the readers of your excellent publication. Working in an emergency room gives me a different perspective on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Eagle river, Alaska.

Daniel J. Hull, MD
Daniel J. Hull, MD

I think that the editor must be a liberal minded type who can best judge what is best for us from his chair. If you are of like mind please vote for Obama. I on the other hand I love shooting and firearms. I enjoy my Hk 45 sitting on my desk as I write this. I enjoy my LWRCI M6 with ET tech scope and all the other firearms, knives, and equipment that I train with as a civilian. I frequently shoot with other civilians, military and DOD guys. You need a new editor! He obviously does not understand the Shooting Life Style or the readers of your excellent publication. Working in an emergency room gives me a different perspective on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Eagle river, Alaska.

Joel
Joel

These are the exact words that came out of my mouth as I was reading and complaining about the article. This really hit the nail on the head. They should drop Mr. Tsai as an editor. He may like guns, but he does not understand his audience/readers.

Tego
Tego

I find it funny, and sad that people are so willing to jump on RECOIL for this. I just picked up the issue today (after i read 2 articles on this issue) because it isn't our choice as to who a foreign company is going to sell their product to. H&K doesn't make it available to the public in the USA. and frankly I don't blame them, for multiple reasons, including it being a really nasty piece of hardware. H&K doesn't see a profit margin in bringing it here. First it would have to be semi auto for civi ownership. Though no one seems willing to call out the ATF on closing the transferables registry in 1986. Maybe with that H&K would see profit. Without it, it just isn't worth it because it would mean redesigning the gun. Second it would be classed an SBR in many states which depending on where you are means either it gets a comical barrel extension or you cant own it. And again no one seems to have thought to mention this. Third to sell it here most of it would have to be made here. That is current gun law. Yet everyone is mad that the 4th reason is about it being a really nasty weapon. I agree that impinging on the rights of those who will safely use the weapon is a bad thing, but I don't know how to keep it out of the hands of those who would see wrong done with it.

Remember H&K is a company If they thought they could make a profit selling the MP7 in the USA in the severely restricted capacity they would need to, to make it legal, They would do it. Bottom line is that while there is a demand for the weapon from the civi world here there isn't enough of one to make the investment worth wile for the company.

So you might ask why make the statement? well it sounds good to gun control groups. It makes them think that the company is doing the right thing in their eyes. Not bad PR for any company. And if the the gun owners part of the population was smart enough they would see this.

Tego
Tego

I find it funny, and sad that people are so willing to jump on RECOIL for this. I just picked up the issue today (after i read 2 articles on this issue) because it isn't our choice as to who a foreign company is going to sell their product to. H&K doesn't make it available to the public in the USA. and frankly I don't blame them, for multiple reasons, including it being a really nasty piece of hardware. H&K doesn't see a profit margin in bringing it here. First it would have to be semi auto for civi ownership. Though no one seems willing to call out the ATF on closing the transferables registry in 1986. Maybe with that H&K would see profit. Without it, it just isn't worth it because it would mean redesigning the gun. Second it would be classed an SBR in many states which depending on where you are means either it gets a comical barrel extension or you cant own it. And again no one seems to have thought to mention this. Third to sell it here most of it would have to be made here. That is current gun law. Yet everyone is mad that the 4th reason is about it being a really nasty weapon. I agree that impinging on the rights of those who will safely use the weapon is a bad thing, but I don't know how to keep it out of the hands of those who would see wrong done with it. Remember H&K is a company If they thought they could make a profit selling the MP7 in the USA in the severely restricted capacity they would need to, to make it legal, They would do it. Bottom line is that while there is a demand for the weapon from the civi world here there isn't enough of one to make the investment worth wile for the company. So you might ask why make the statement? well it sounds good to gun control groups. It makes them think that the company is doing the right thing in their eyes. Not bad PR for any company. And if the the gun owners part of the population was smart enough they would see this.

John C
John C

Damn I liked that mag too. Guess I'll stick to reading it in the magazine aisle at the store, and buying something else to take home to read.

Ken
Ken

Foxtrot alpha, Bryan.

Sean
Sean

I enjoyed the first three issues of RECOIL, but I will not be enjoying them anymore. This is my choice, just as others may choose to keep reading it. It was a very well put together magazine and I understand why so many will keep reading it. We all have different reasons for supporting or not supporting RECOIL. What I would love to see is some good old fashioned competition. Someone, somewhere out there should start a weapons life style magazine similar to RECOIL. (Maybe call it REDUCED RECOIL! joke) Let the consumer decide who has the better magazine for their money.

John Sully
John Sully

As a reader of this magaazine, I accept his apology as I will accept Bryan Black's apology for his grammatical mistakes he provided in his writing. Being an editor, you need to proofread your work before submitting. Obviously both Jerry and Bryan did not do this; and in doing this, both have let things slip through their grasp. I think if RECOIL had a different agenda, they would be publishing this magazine. I will contiue to read both from this site and RECOIL and not continue to fuel the fire. Bryan, editor-in-cheif, please learn the difference between to, too, and two. Thank you.

GreenTip556
GreenTip556

This idea that popped into Mr. Tsai's head should have been aborted shortly after conception.

A weapon system is nothing more than a delivery platform for ammunition. Clearly some are of higher quality and have different applications, but as long as the ammunition for this particular weapon system is sold in the PUBLIC MARKET, what threat have you eliminated by not allowing the MP7 or arguing FOR it's restriction? What about the FN 5.7? What about the public proliferation of body armor to the point where an unlawful user/active shooter may rear their ugly head under a MICH helmet? By immediately taking the manufacturer's position, I'm seriously questioning Mr. Tsai's objectivity on the 2nd Amendment.

The capabilities of the weapon system as a fully automatic would clearly be altered for public sale as per the Machine Gun Ban, it would HAVE to be registered as an NFA Short Barreled rifle and would thus BE REGISTERED WITH THE ATF so we would know if it posed a risk to Law Enforcement if a potential unlawful user was identified (not that there is EVER time to check anyways when time-is-life for civilian victims). And can someone explain to me what increased danger a FEDERALY REGULATED firearm presents as opposed to carbine conversion systems such as the one developed by Sig Suaer?

This guys arguement has so many holes and far reaching implications, it's hard to see the benefit of printing that even if it's how he feels.

But hey, what to I know right?

GreenTip556
GreenTip556

This idea that popped into Mr. Tsai's head should have been aborted shortly after conception. A weapon system is nothing more than a delivery platform for ammunition. Clearly some are of higher quality and have different applications, but as long as the ammunition for this particular weapon system is sold in the PUBLIC MARKET, what threat have you eliminated by not allowing the MP7 or arguing FOR it's restriction? What about the FN 5.7? What about the public proliferation of body armor to the point where an unlawful user/active shooter may rear their ugly head under a MICH helmet? By immediately taking the manufacturer's position, I'm seriously questioning Mr. Tsai's objectivity on the 2nd Amendment. The capabilities of the weapon system as a fully automatic would clearly be altered for public sale as per the Machine Gun Ban, it would HAVE to be registered as an NFA Short Barreled rifle and would thus BE REGISTERED WITH THE ATF so we would know if it posed a risk to Law Enforcement if a potential unlawful user was identified (not that there is EVER time to check anyways when time-is-life for civilian victims). And can someone explain to me what increased danger a FEDERALY REGULATED firearm presents as opposed to carbine conversion systems such as the one developed by Sig Suaer? This guys arguement has so many holes and far reaching implications, it's hard to see the benefit of printing that even if it's how he feels. But hey, what to I know right?

Mike
Mike

I was taken a back when I read this article because I, to, believed this to be turning point for the gun world and 2nd Amendment supports when it comes to a magazine. It is very disheartening for me as a Military member and a current Law Enforcement officer that he would say the things he did, using us as an excuse. I point out, "

I accepted their answer for what it was out of respect for those serving in uniform." If this was the case, He would not have made the statements he did, and its obvious he thinks that 'those serving in uniform' are going to let him use us to hide behind, when in all reality, he made the statement he did because that is what he believes. I have given up support of this publication, as have a multitude of my fellow officers and friends.

This is my rant, in the nicest way I could put it.

Mike-

Mike
Mike

I was taken a back when I read this article because I, to, believed this to be turning point for the gun world and 2nd Amendment supports when it comes to a magazine. It is very disheartening for me as a Military member and a current Law Enforcement officer that he would say the things he did, using us as an excuse. I point out, "

I accepted their answer for what it was out of respect for those serving in uniform." If this was the case, He would not have made the statements he did, and its obvious he thinks that 'those serving in uniform' are going to let him use us to hide behind, when in all reality, he made the statement he did because that is what he believes. I have given up support of this publication, as have a multitude of my fellow officers and friends. This is my rant, in the nicest way I could put it. Mike-

Bpcargodog
Bpcargodog

@ITS Customer - it seems the point has been lost on you. This isn't about H&K or their "cool guy" guns. It's primarily about the 2nd amendment. Since when did the 2A have a sporting clause? It doesn't because it was installed in the constitution to keep the government in check and provide for national security. Sure it was written in the age of muskets, but that's all that governments had then too. Remember privateers? That was the navy once upon a time. There is no good reason for citizens NOT to be able to own these weapons, and If a militia of citizens sounds rediculous in this day and age, maybe someone should tell Switzerland that.

A secondary point would be that Mr Tsai lacks a basic knowledge of his audience, subject material to be covered, and probably worst of all- editorial skills. If he was merely reporting that H&K did not sell much to civilians than why not simply say that? Using the editorial, he continued down a typical anti-gun path for a paragraph. I think what has most of us so riled up is not that he holds this opinion, but that he's making money from us and holds this opinion out for our consumption in his magazine. He then followed up with an apology/excuse that said "sorry you heard me wrong" and "don't shoot the messenger" complete with typos! What an editor! What else can we expect when he controls the content? Now give me a good reason to buy this rag.

As for H&K, I could care less if I ever get to shoot anything they make again. I shot the USP 40 the other day and wasn't impressed at all - granted lots of people love em, and I'm sure it's fine German engineering and all that...I'll still take my American made 1911 and AR, or even the affordable Glock. I'm sure the BMW is a wonderful car and far superior in many ways to the Ford I drive, but its not for me.

Someone else said it better "HK has never really been a 'consumer' company: "We're HK, and you and [everyone else] sucks [unless we deign to sell you something]" has pretty much been my perception of their ongoing PR stance. It's (arm-wavingly) essentially a European company with a US sales office, so right to bear arms concepts are gonna come hard to them - especially when they think their sales might be politcally affected by a pro-freedom political stance. HK's branding, even on the consumer front, appears to me to offer far more of an "HK is cool toys" sentiment than any "HK is part of freedom's toolkit".

Bpcargodog
Bpcargodog

@ITS Customer - it seems the point has been lost on you. This isn't about H&K or their "cool guy" guns. It's primarily about the 2nd amendment. Since when did the 2A have a sporting clause? It doesn't because it was installed in the constitution to keep the government in check and provide for national security. Sure it was written in the age of muskets, but that's all that governments had then too. Remember privateers? That was the navy once upon a time. There is no good reason for citizens NOT to be able to own these weapons, and If a militia of citizens sounds rediculous in this day and age, maybe someone should tell Switzerland that. A secondary point would be that Mr Tsai lacks a basic knowledge of his audience, subject material to be covered, and probably worst of all- editorial skills. If he was merely reporting that H&K did not sell much to civilians than why not simply say that? Using the editorial, he continued down a typical anti-gun path for a paragraph. I think what has most of us so riled up is not that he holds this opinion, but that he's making money from us and holds this opinion out for our consumption in his magazine. He then followed up with an apology/excuse that said "sorry you heard me wrong" and "don't shoot the messenger" complete with typos! What an editor! What else can we expect when he controls the content? Now give me a good reason to buy this rag. As for H&K, I could care less if I ever get to shoot anything they make again. I shot the USP 40 the other day and wasn't impressed at all - granted lots of people love em, and I'm sure it's fine German engineering and all that...I'll still take my American made 1911 and AR, or even the affordable Glock. I'm sure the BMW is a wonderful car and far superior in many ways to the Ford I drive, but its not for me. Someone else said it better "HK has never really been a 'consumer' company: "We're HK, and you and [everyone else] sucks [unless we deign to sell you something]" has pretty much been my perception of their ongoing PR stance. It's (arm-wavingly) essentially a European company with a US sales office, so right to bear arms concepts are gonna come hard to them - especially when they think their sales might be politcally affected by a pro-freedom political stance. HK's branding, even on the consumer front, appears to me to offer far more of an "HK is cool toys" sentiment than any "HK is part of freedom's toolkit".

TripWire
TripWire

I am glad to see ITS do the right thing and cancel advertising with this rag. I am very disappointed at this turn of events because it was such a fun, exiting magazine. But, you cannot alienate the very people that you want to buy your product and stay in business very long. A very stupid thing to do and the apology was as bad as the original statements. RIP Recoil. Oh well, long live ITS. Great job guys.

ITS Customer
ITS Customer

When we see this kind of polarization, zero-tolerance, zero-sum thinking from leadership in Afghanistan--or for that matter in Washington D.C., we criticize it...

If a drifting hooner who's new to the gun world got some trigger time on an exotic system, drank the kool-aid that the LE and corporate reps served and committed a thoughtcrime to print, take him out to the woodshed for some wall-to-wall counseling about journalistic objectivity.

One thing that I've noticed is that the gun world is inhabited by 4 species: good (current and former) cops, effective (current and former) military, people who love to shoot and a bunch of slightly damaged people dismissive and distrustful of the other three species. This last crew speaks loudly and carries big sticks--and ban hammers on the internet forums they dominate.

I think some of the loudest b*tching about this deal comes from wannabes, used-to-bes and never-weres who are angry and jealous that they don't rate, and jealous that the coolness that a gun pictured in "No Easy Day" or news clippings of apex predator LE elements going against the hardest of cases will NEVER be in their reach, for ANY price--whether or not they ever bet between 18X or 11B, SEAL or Undez, or even took the "easy" route and embarked on that long LONG road to SWAT/ESU after long nights on FTO and even longer nights in a solo car.

Funny thing is that Jerry Tsai didn't make the pronouncement that the unwashed will never feel the greatness of the MP7. That would be HK, FAMOUSLY dismissive of individual purchasers. ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE can buy a FN57. Yeah I know that's like comparing Fuji and Delicious Apples. But still Apples. Problem is (a) you'll have a helluva time getting the "cool" ammo for it and (b) anyone who knows anything will tell you for 99.999% of personal defense scenarios, a 9MM that you can get HIGHLY proficient with will serve you just fine.

If a bunch of RECOIL advertisers wanna burn a pile of money cutting ties, so be it. I'll continue to read RECOIL as long as I can derive value from it. Losing it will be like breaking up with that incredibly hot girlfriend who was kinda ditzy--a little less beauty in my life. And EVEN THOUGH an ITS product made the cover of a magazine where a key member of the editorial staff split the wrong hair, I'll continue to drop coin here. Assuming my money is still good.

ITS Customer
ITS Customer

When we see this kind of polarization, zero-tolerance, zero-sum thinking from leadership in Afghanistan--or for that matter in Washington D.C., we criticize it... If a drifting hooner who's new to the gun world got some trigger time on an exotic system, drank the kool-aid that the LE and corporate reps served and committed a thoughtcrime to print, take him out to the woodshed for some wall-to-wall counseling about journalistic objectivity. One thing that I've noticed is that the gun world is inhabited by 4 species: good (current and former) cops, effective (current and former) military, people who love to shoot and a bunch of slightly damaged people dismissive and distrustful of the other three species. This last crew speaks loudly and carries big sticks--and ban hammers on the internet forums they dominate. I think some of the loudest b*tching about this deal comes from wannabes, used-to-bes and never-weres who are angry and jealous that they don't rate, and jealous that the coolness that a gun pictured in "No Easy Day" or news clippings of apex predator LE elements going against the hardest of cases will NEVER be in their reach, for ANY price--whether or not they ever bet between 18X or 11B, SEAL or Undez, or even took the "easy" route and embarked on that long LONG road to SWAT/ESU after long nights on FTO and even longer nights in a solo car. Funny thing is that Jerry Tsai didn't make the pronouncement that the unwashed will never feel the greatness of the MP7. That would be HK, FAMOUSLY dismissive of individual purchasers. ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE can buy a FN57. Yeah I know that's like comparing Fuji and Delicious Apples. But still Apples. Problem is (a) you'll have a helluva time getting the "cool" ammo for it and (b) anyone who knows anything will tell you for 99.999% of personal defense scenarios, a 9MM that you can get HIGHLY proficient with will serve you just fine. If a bunch of RECOIL advertisers wanna burn a pile of money cutting ties, so be it. I'll continue to read RECOIL as long as I can derive value from it. Losing it will be like breaking up with that incredibly hot girlfriend who was kinda ditzy--a little less beauty in my life. And EVEN THOUGH an ITS product made the cover of a magazine where a key member of the editorial staff split the wrong hair, I'll continue to drop coin here. Assuming my money is still good.

Frank S.
Frank S.

First of all great well written article Bryan, it is good to know the ITS along with many other companies is upset with the comments from RECOIL.

ITS will always have my support.

Frank S.
Frank S.

First of all great well written article Bryan, it is good to know the ITS along with many other companies is upset with the comments from RECOIL. ITS will always have my support.

James Chao
James Chao

I must say I have a great respect for those that have the moral and intellectual integrity to stand by their convictions regardless of how hard a decision it may be given the current economic environment. Kudos to everyone at ITS Tactical.

AJ
AJ

Seeing that the editor has just taped the proverbial claymore to his forehead and detonated , might I suggest to the powers at be behind the magazine to rebrand themselves as " NORECOIL" . Just focus on the airsoft industry where their products are classified as mostly for sporting purposes only.

Ken
Ken

Wow!

Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is rampant in some LEO circles. I've gotten into heated discussions with squad mates over the issue of civilians having the same gear as LEO. I generally end it with something to the effect that unless you can guarantee to be on scene when my wife or my daughter needs you there then don't restrict their choices.

As far as limiting weapons to LEO or military it seems at least once a quarter to hear of some SWAT guy's patrol car or MP's POV in this state being broken into and some pretty powerful weapons being put on the street--along with armor, accessories, and uniforms. Within the last month a gun shop was broken into and a large number of camouflaged M4s were stolen--one of which turned up just outside my own patrol area.

Street cop concerned over a H&K MP7A1 because it can penetrate IIIa? There's a lot out there that can.

While I agree with H&K having the right to make the decision to not sell to civilians, I don't think they made the right choice. For a gun enthusiasts magazine to agree such a statement because of the "sporting" factor goes against the "Home & Personal Defense" tagline directly below the name of their magazine and is, well, just asinine.

Ken
Ken

Wow! Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is rampant in some LEO circles. I've gotten into heated discussions with squad mates over the issue of civilians having the same gear as LEO. I generally end it with something to the effect that unless you can guarantee to be on scene when my wife or my daughter needs you there then don't restrict their choices. As far as limiting weapons to LEO or military it seems at least once a quarter to hear of some SWAT guy's patrol car or MP's POV in this state being broken into and some pretty powerful weapons being put on the street--along with armor, accessories, and uniforms. Within the last month a gun shop was broken into and a large number of camouflaged M4s were stolen--one of which turned up just outside my own patrol area. Street cop concerned over a H&K MP7A1 because it can penetrate IIIa? There's a lot out there that can. While I agree with H&K having the right to make the decision to not sell to civilians, I don't think they made the right choice. For a gun enthusiasts magazine to agree such a statement because of the "sporting" factor goes against the "Home & Personal Defense" tagline directly below the name of their magazine and is, well, just asinine.

Michael Trantham
Michael Trantham

Bryan,

As a fellow Texan and life long gun owner (had my first bb gun at 6, and my first 20gauge at 11), I wholeheartedly support your actions and that's why I signed up and supported your sight. I could tell from just the first couple of days of reading that you're a no Bull-Shit kind-of-guy.

Keep up the good work here at ITS Tactical.

Michael Trantham
Michael Trantham

Bryan, As a fellow Texan and life long gun owner (had my first bb gun at 6, and my first 20gauge at 11), I wholeheartedly support your actions and that's why I signed up and supported your sight. I could tell from just the first couple of days of reading that you're a no Bull-Shit kind-of-guy. Keep up the good work here at ITS Tactical.

Sam
Sam

Canceling my subscription when I get home from work today. Always surprises me when someone digs themselves a hole and refuses to admit they made a mistake.

Wolfy Wolf
Wolfy Wolf

"no sporting purpose"... ???? HUH??? My 'sporting purpose' of any firearm is to point it down range, pull the trigger, hear the bang, and see the hole appear in the target!!!! Anything from an antique muzzle loader to a Barrett .50, what KIND it is is irregardless, its solely contigent of WHAT it is, and that is that 'it's' a firearm. Being proficient in using any tool in the toolbox is a challenge for anyone, and many take it much more seriously than others. I mean really, who doesn't like hitting a target A MILE AWAY with something the diameter of roughly a DIME??? This editor seriously needs to have his hidden liberal credentials checked, because he is doing more HARM to the Second Amendment than he is to helping anything ... or anyone!

Greg Faherty
Greg Faherty

Damn. I have only bought one issue of Recoil and I enjoyed it very much, instantly went online to see if I could subscribe. Recoil is how I found ITSTactical.com. It is going to hurt to boycott this magazine but as a matter of principle, how can I continue to support it?

Bryan, I respect you for taking a position on this, especially when it could hurt your business. Well done.

G.

Greg Faherty
Greg Faherty

Damn. I have only bought one issue of Recoil and I enjoyed it very much, instantly went online to see if I could subscribe. Recoil is how I found ITSTactical.com. It is going to hurt to boycott this magazine but as a matter of principle, how can I continue to support it? Bryan, I respect you for taking a position on this, especially when it could hurt your business. Well done. G.

hotshot0891
hotshot0891

I wish people would stop focusing on sporting purposes for firearms. I am not as experienced enough for this to carry as much weight but the more people concentrate on firearms being of a "sporting purpose" the more we are restricted. We were given the second amendment so we could defend ourselves from tyranny not so we could have sporting firearms. If they sell body armor on the open market why is it not acceptable to purchase firearms and ammunition that can defeat body armor?

RaymondSpiller
RaymondSpiller

@Pete in Alaska Regardless, you can't purchase any new full auto weapons as a civilian - has to be pre-ban. If you hunt down a pre-ban full auto for anything less than 12,000 dollars, it would be the kind of deal that you immediately pounce on because you won't see it again.. And that's the kind of optimistic view that could probably get you diagnosed with something these days =*(


*EDIT* Well technically you could do it as a Class III FFL dealer. But if you're doing it for personal purposes and use, it's a no-no.

BiffSarin
BiffSarin

@Mac  Listen, I understand your point of view, however, in response to your comment "There is no "sporting" purpose for a rifle caliber sub machine gun with armor piercing capabilities."...


First, there does not need to be a 'sporting' purpose for a firearm. Trust me, there is no 'sporting' purpose for my Ruger LCP. 


Second, as for the 'rifle caliber sub machine gun with armor piercing capabilities.' part of your comment, the MP7 is no more lethal or 'armor piercing' than an AR-15 SBR which must be registered as an NFA as well. For that matter, an AR pistol with a 10.5" barrel does not have to be registered as an NFA and it is just a lethal. My point here is that your argument seems moot.


More importantly, thugs rarely, if ever, spend thousands of dollars on a single gun and the law abiding citizen that purchases something like this does not usually leave it sitting around outside of a gun vault which would make it seriously difficult to steal.

J
J

Go read about the Second Amendment Commie.

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

John, please tell me where I made mistakes in improperly using to, too and two. I'm not seeing it and trust me, I haven't already edited it. What I did see in your comment is the improper spelling by an "editor" of the word "magaazine" and "editor-in-cheif." Please don't come here spouting off about my errors when you can't proofread your own comment. Are you trying to compare a simple spelling or grammatical mistake in an article I've written, to the issue that Mr. Tsai is dealing with now?

Bergman
Bergman

I read (on another blog) an interesting comment to the effect that the MP7 uses a cartridge that is generally inferior to a .22 WMR (same bullet weight, lower velocity) in performance. A small game hunting/plinking round that can outperform the Big Scary PDW? Seriously?

Bergman
Bergman

Police are active service militia. If you can vote and are subject to a hypothetical draft notice, you are inactive militia. Forbidding inactive militia to train with, possess or even touch active militia equipment can have no other effect than to render them useless in the event a general militia activation becomes necessary. Granted, such an activation is unlikely to be necessary. But the law is the law, and the Founders put that into the law for very good reasons.

Doug Hormann
Doug Hormann

You can support it the same way you support another's right to free speech. I don't agree with everything all of my elected representatives do or believe in, but if I were to stop voting for people because we disagree on one issue, what does that say about the issues we agree on? People who stop patronizing a magazine because of one editorial comment will soon have few magazines to read. It's as if some people think we need to check our opinions at the door when we start talking about guns. Regarding Illinois and communism, I don't agree with that state's stance on gun control, but I remember on dangerous aspect of communism that seemed to parallel some of the statements here, e.g. if you don't conform to the party line in every detail (or in this case, the views of some intolerant members of the firearms crowd) you will be publicly pilloried and accused of all sorts of vile things. That's a pretty piss poor example of patriotism, but that's just my opinion.

Bergman
Bergman

We might eventually need to codify self defense as a sport. Have rules, technical fouls and tournaments with simulated attackers. Award trophies to the winners.

Why yes, my M72 IS indeed sporting equipment, officer! =P

Bergman
Bergman

We might eventually need to codify self defense as a sport. Have rules, technical fouls and tournaments with simulated attackers. Award trophies to the winners. Why yes, my M72 IS indeed sporting equipment, officer! =P

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