Knot of the Week: Swiss Seat

by October 5, 2009 10/5/09
Swiss Seat 12

Swiss Seat 12We return to our regularly scheduled Knot of the Week today with the Swiss Seat.  The Swiss Seat is also often referred to as a rappel seat, as it’s purpose is to serve as an emergency rappelling harness.

Many survival and E&E kits contain a carabiner and a 12 ft. section of rope just for this purpose.  Not to sound overly dramatic, but in an emergency, just these two items could mean the difference between life and death.

A Swiss Seat can also be used to transport an injured victim to safety if no rappelling harness is available to them.

We highly recommend that before carrying a 12 ft. section of rope for a Swiss Seat, you see if it’s the right amount of rope for you.

In the YouTube video below, the waist size shown is a 32″ and the rope is just the right length. Your mileage may vary.

Swiss Seat » Misc.

(Strength: 3/Secure: 3/Stability: 4/Difficulty: 4)

Please refer to our  Knot of the Week introduction post for a description of what these ratings mean.

Uses:

  • Emergency Rappelling Harness
  • Transporting an Injured Victim to Safety

Instructions:

Make sure you have enough rope left over to properly back up the square knot tied in the Swiss Seat.

  1. Find the center of the rope
  2. Hold the bight of the center against your left hip if right handed or right hip if left handed
  3. *The reason for this is that when tying the final square knot, you want it opposite from your rappelling brake hand*
  4. Drop the bight and wrap the rope around your waist
  5. If wrapped correctly you should now have one end that is longer than the other
  6. Make one overhand knot and a consecutive second wrap (it doesn’t matter which side)
  7. Allow the running ends to hang down
  8. Pull the running ends through your legs and around your backside, squatting to tighten
  9. Feed each side up and behind the waist wrap creating a half hitch to lock
  10. Tie a square knot off to the side of your body you originally started on
  11. Backup the square knot with an overhand knot in each working end
  12. If you have excess rope, consider carrying less or simply tucking it into a pocket
  13. Attach a locking carabiner through the initial wrapped portion of the Swiss Seat as well as the wrap with the square knot
  14. Ensure the gate is facing you to avoid it rubbing on the rope, and “screw down so you don’t screw up!”

View the gallery or YouTube video below and follow along with the steps above!

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Koopa
Koopa

Great refresher! I seem to remember a way of tying a Swiss seat that wrapped around the chest and back also.. essentially forming an improvised Class III harness. Anyone remember how to do this?


Also the Swiss seat is a million times more comfortable when made with webbing. That way your weight is distributed across a 2" strap instead of a 5/8" rope.

RedNek
RedNek

I have been running up and down ropes for over 25 years and have used a harness for most of those yearsyears, seeing your vid took me back to the day I first got started, I had almost forgot how to tie a swll seat, thanks for refreshing this tie up for me I will be making use of this onfo in the coming week as I am headed for a wall to test out some new equipment. keep up thegood stuff. WALK VERTICAL!!!

JACOB ADAMS
JACOB ADAMS

Great article on the Swiss Seat. I would like to know the specifics of attaching rope to carabiner. Which way do you feed the rope thru?

Kody
Kody

What diameter rope did you use for the seat?

Dave
Dave

I have never rappelled and have no knowledge on the subject but am interested so decided to take a look and come across this site. I don't know how or even if there are any other ways to make the swiss Seat but if people think this is complicated, they probably shouldn't be rappelling in the first place.

I watched the video once and will never forget how to make it. That was the most simple and clearly illustrated instructions. Thanks.

Dave
Dave

I have never rappelled and have no knowledge on the subject but am interested so decided to take a look and come across this site. I don't know how or even if there are any other ways to make the swiss Seat but if people think this is complicated, they probably shouldn't be rappelling in the first place. I watched the video once and will never forget how to make it. That was the most simple and clearly illustrated instructions. Thanks.

Andrew
Andrew

Great vid thanks for shring your info!

Siphran
Siphran

Great article, im going to need to dig up my rope so i can give it a try. Just a quick question, do you have any videos of this same version of a Swiss Seat in action? Just to get an idea on how its supposed to work.

David W
David W

Thanks for that, I used to think it was really complicated but now I realized how easy it is. Thanks.

kenpojitsu
kenpojitsu

I know I just commented above (Brandon)

But after this quick refresher

(retrieving the rope from my car trunk)

I taught some co-workers at the Ambulance Station how to tie a "Swiss seat". they all thought that was pretty slick. & did it in seconds. We work & live in a mountain region of Northern California so it may just come in handy one day!

kenpojitsu
kenpojitsu

I know I just commented above (Brandon) But after this quick refresher (retrieving the rope from my car trunk) I taught some co-workers at the Ambulance Station how to tie a "Swiss seat". they all thought that was pretty slick. & did it in seconds. We work & live in a mountain region of Northern California so it may just come in handy one day!

Brandon
Brandon

Nice article. one of My best friends taught me this a few years ago after coming home from the Army. He was in the 82nd Airborne & went to Air assault school. He bought some rope & cut it all to length for me & another friend when he taught us. I've carried that & 2 Locking carabiners in my car trunk attached to my backpack for years. some of my friends think Im the weird over prepared guy... all well

Paul
Paul

I took a commercial climbing course a few years back and demonstrated a swiss seat and a bowline on a coil that we used in upper mountaineering at Ranger School... While impressed with my knowledge of ropes and knots, my classmates at the commercial course were decidedly unimpressed with the comfort of old school practices!

H.J. Simpson
H.J. Simpson

Great vid guys, another quality addition to the site. One small suggestion: tie the backup overhands on the tails of the square knot closer to the square knot's body. The point of the backups is to prevent the tails from backfeeding through the square knot. If the backup overhands start to loosen and untie, you are better off having them closer to the square knot body because that will give you a better chance of seeing them loosen before they come undone. It's easier to see than verbalize!

This is common with the backup knot to a fig. 8 on a bight tie-in. Folks will have some slack after tying the knot so they tie the backup more to keep the slack out of the way than to actually back up the knot.

If you've got a few more extra inches left on the tails, a grapevine knot will have much less tendency to come loose than an overhand, especially on somewhat stiff rope (as opposed to soft webbing).

H.J. Simpson
H.J. Simpson

Great vid guys, another quality addition to the site. One small suggestion: tie the backup overhands on the tails of the square knot closer to the square knot's body. The point of the backups is to prevent the tails from backfeeding through the square knot. If the backup overhands start to loosen and untie, you are better off having them closer to the square knot body because that will give you a better chance of seeing them loosen before they come undone. It's easier to see than verbalize! This is common with the backup knot to a fig. 8 on a bight tie-in. Folks will have some slack after tying the knot so they tie the backup more to keep the slack out of the way than to actually back up the knot. If you've got a few more extra inches left on the tails, a grapevine knot will have much less tendency to come loose than an overhand, especially on somewhat stiff rope (as opposed to soft webbing).

Francis
Francis

Yeah , I agree... this swiss seat isn't comfy at all !!! We did that during my recruit training. Nice website by the way !! I love the tricks with the zip-tie , It works !

Francis

Francis
Francis

Yeah , I agree... this swiss seat isn't comfy at all !!! We did that during my recruit training. Nice website by the way !! I love the tricks with the zip-tie , It works ! Francis

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Thanks Thompson! It's definitely not the most comfortable way to rappel, but for it's intended purpose it works great.

Thompson
Thompson

We used these in basic training because it's easy for a class of 250 brand new privates. Get it wrong and you will definitely feel it in the jewels. Nice article.

Tim
Tim

Most complicated swiss seat ever.

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

David,

Glad you were able to follow along easily and thanks for the feedback!

Bryan Black
Bryan Black

David, Glad you were able to follow along easily and thanks for the feedback!

Blake Mims
Blake Mims

ha HA! nothing like a little force multiplication...

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Brandon,

It seems to be common to have to take crap for being the one who's prepared, I always think to myself... Yeah we'll see who's calling who in an emergency!

Thanks for the comment,

Bryan

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Brandon, It seems to be common to have to take crap for being the one who's prepared, I always think to myself... Yeah we'll see who's calling who in an emergency! Thanks for the comment, Bryan

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Good story Paul! Thanks for sharing :)

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

H.J.,

Thanks for your kind words, and your great suggestions. Your information is a great addition to the article!

I know I'm guilty of using a Figure 8 tie-in backup to keep the slack out of the way. I'll be more aware of that now :)

~ Bryan

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

H.J., Thanks for your kind words, and your great suggestions. Your information is a great addition to the article! I know I'm guilty of using a Figure 8 tie-in backup to keep the slack out of the way. I'll be more aware of that now :) ~ Bryan

Koopa
Koopa

@Francis  A swiss seat is a million times more comfortable when made from webbing - that way your weight is distributed across a 2" strap rather than a 5/8" rope.

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Francis,

Thanks for the kind words, glad you're finding the articles useful!

~ Bryan

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Francis, Thanks for the kind words, glad you're finding the articles useful! ~ Bryan

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Sorry you feel that way Tim, we'd love to hear your suggestions on how to tie a Swiss Seat that's less complicated.

Thanks for the comment.

ITS Admin
ITS Admin

Sorry you feel that way Tim, we'd love to hear your suggestions on how to tie a Swiss Seat that's less complicated. Thanks for the comment.

Jersey
Jersey

I agree there is a easier way to tie up a swiss seat, back in college I was a climbing/ropes course instructor I'll dig through my old crap and scan in a easier way for you

Greg Whited
Greg Whited

There are plenty of improvised rapelling harnesses, but only one Swiss seat. This is the way I learned it 20+years ago, and the way my son learned in 2 years ago. Each different version has it's positives and negatives...some take more rope, or more time, or are less comfortable. Some offer redundancy, or upper body stability (really good if you have an unconscious patient). Thanks for posting the vid, guys. Really get a lot out of your site!

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