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“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite cafe and got into the car.
Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.
The bullet nicked my hip, but the wound is nothing a bandage couldn’t cover. So what went wrong? Guns never go “Bang” all by themselves.
After ensuring I wasn’t hemorrhaging profusely and didn’t have to make a dash for the hospital, I stayed seated in the car as my wife came around to my door and opened it. I undid my belt and slid the Galco JAK202 Slide Belt Holster, with the gun still in it, off my belt. Why it went off was immediately apparent.
The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does after lots of use; It got soft. This particular holster carries the pistol outside the waistband, but inside the belt. The belt slides through slots in the outer side of the holster.
The problem stemmed from the leather on the inner side of the holster getting soft. A crease formed, which eventually was large enough to extend beyond the trigger. Manipulate the gun in just the wrong manner and this crease is no different than a finger on the trigger. Boom!
I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected. On this day, did I forget to do that when I holstered up? Did the leather finally get so soft that a combination of body movements and interference by the cushy leather seat move the Glock enough to create a situation where the trigger was engaged by the holster?
I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but I’ll humbly admit to the former as the likely culprit. However, if it was the latter, then those of you who use this type of holster need to be aware of its limitations and the possibility of experiencing what I did.
It might have been a very different story had the incident happened while we were dining. That bullet ricocheting off the concrete floor could have done untold damage and just as easily killed somebody. Fortunately nobody got hurt and damage to the car was minimal. It will be an interesting conversation with the insurance company to see if they’ll cover the repairs.
Holstering your gun can be just as important as drawing it. Make sure you pay attention when doing so. If your leather is getting soft and worn, be sure that it won’t interfere with your trigger or just replace it.
The back of the slide and/or grip was being pushed downward into the leather holster…or the holster was being pushed upward with some force. My guess is the firearm was being pushed and the fold in the holster acted as a finger and depressed the Glock trigger safety.
This truly brings home the importance of taking care of your equipment and ensuring it’s in proper working order. Hopefully you can learn from my situation and prevent an accident like this from happening to you.
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To everyone saying a gun is useless if you don't have one in the chamber that is false I believe. There are benifits to cocked and locked or empty chamber. If you train to rack when you draw and have the muscle memory for it, it is just fine IMO. Most people don't train. You have to train. Also for a citizen carry where you will most likely never use your gun your whole life I think empty is ok.
wrong holster... you can stick your gun into any holster, but you should have had a better fit. the pistol needed a deeper seat to cover the trigger wells better. you should look into a form fitting kydex, where the pistol locks into a perfect seating. you can get different levels of protection.
There are two problems and the first is a design flaw. No holster should become dangerous Fter a year in use. Obviously there is a lack of testing by the manufacture.
The second problem is the use of a known, unsafe holster that should have been sent back to manufacturer as DEFECTIVE!
Glock... Enough said. How many accidental discharges are going to occur until they begin installing a grip safety?... It would solve most if not all of these accidents.
@JacobWinegardner how would a grip safety have prevented this? With a proper grip the grip safety would have been disengaged.
I would contact the manufacturer of the possible issue that its their fault. For they shouldve made that section of leather wider so that it covered the entire trigger guard and that maybe they should change their design so the leather comes up more towards the hand grip to avoid future incidents or lawsuits from happening. There is no reason why the leather wasn't cut a bit wider to where it would meet the grip.
That way there is no chance of the soft leather getting caught inside the trigger guard or on the trigger to cause such an accidental discharge.
@MichaelToombsShort Or maybe the user should have chosen a holster that actually fit his gun. When I pick up a pair of pants that are my size (30 x 30) and they are too snug, I don't blame it on the manufacturer. I just get a pair that isn't too snug and move on with my life.
With a trigger safety and AD is practically ensured. Just the act of holstering a Glock has caused AD's and injuries! With a Glock and trigger safety the propensity for an AD is ever present and sooner or later it will happen. I cannot think of anything more ludicrous than a trigger safety. Blaming the holster is idiotic!
First hand knowledge of same situation. That rig is not for duty use. lots of problems. blaming the rig for the ND is not the problem, much as blaming the SERPA for the NDs. Same thing happened with a "custom" Kydex rig of same design. full slide/muzzle coverage is required to prevent this type ND. A full lined full grain leather Yaquie Slide of the Cooper design is very safe, but lacks a retention break. A simple thumb break with a full grain leather lined rig stops this problem.
All the more reason for Hybrid holster OR Full kydex style holster with COMPLETE Trigger and trigger guard coverage.
Quality holster is an especial necessity with Glock-type firearms. My own preference, and note that I said "preference", is both a quality holster and a firearm with a separate manual safety (1911-type).
Some of the comments in this thread are mindboggling. Some folks here need to take a safety course. Some of you need to take a defensive handgun course. This was an equipment failure - the HOLSTER, not the GUN. The gun did as it was designed to do. The gun owner failed to inspect/replace his worn holster and that caused the discharge. Worn equipment, and owner negligence. The Glock has 3 mechanical safeties that all disengage when you pull the trigger. Its not much different than a revolver in that aspect.
and carrying without a round in the chamber? Good luck with that one. If you don't feel safe carrying with a round in the chamber, then carrying a gun is not for you. You are at greater risk without a round in the chamber, than with one.
@Proactive Shooters LLC Have you ever heard of this type of AD with a revolver? I haven't but I have heard and know of several AD's with the Glock when holstering the weapon!
This has nothing to do with the safety on the firearm.
It does have everything to do with lack of a quality holster..
@Personal Dynamics LLC Nothing could be safer than a trigger safety! Tell that to the people with holes in their leg when holstering a Glock!
@bowitt31 @Personal Dynamics LLC You clearly have no idea what a trigger safety is for. It is not designed in the slightest to prevent this. It is to ensure the gun does not fire unless the trigger is pulled to the rear and to prevent spring tension from pulling on the trigger during firing. If something goes wrong internally the gun could go full auto but the trigger safety prevents this. If you rely on a trigger safety to prevent a negligent discharge then the problem isn't with the gun but with you. Glocks are guns for people who know what they're doing and focus on safety at all times. Negligent discharges happen with them because people get lazy with safety. Period. This case is a good instance because that guy let his holster deteriorate beyond serviceable use and this is what happens.
Another argument against the "my finger is the safety" argument as if nothing in the universe can possibly push that trigger.
@Macaroon22 Well, I will say a safety is a lot better idea than an empty chamber...Although, good gear should negate the need for a safety in all conceivable circumstances. A holster that completely covers the trigger guard is a first step.
I have an older/ first gen S&W M&P .40, full LEO edition and it also has no safeties. Been carrying it since around 2005ish and never had a discharge that wasn't meant to happen unless I wanted it too and the trigger is the main safety, magazine is second... That's it, nothing else.
All the GLOCK no safety hating. May I mention that my SIG P220 does not have anything in the way of a safety?
It's my daily carry. It is my experience that a mechanical safety simply makes people complacent.
Another accidental GLOCK discharge... Hmm imagine that. I get into arguments all the time about these firearms and their lack of a mechanical safety. Would NEVER own a Glock. Accident waiting to happen. I'll let the Cowboy wanna be's and gangbangers shoothemselves with this weapon.
@bikerbry because all the cowboy wanna-be's carry polymer semi-autos, just like the lone ranger, right? Let's not turn this into a glock-bash, this could have happened with a revolver, too.
@Veedubklown Could have happened with a revolver? Give me one instance that you know of! I can give you several with the Glock and it involves the simple act of holstering the weapon with an AD and injury!
@bowitt31 I don't even like glocks I have a 1911 and a 686 revolver. But you are being an idiot when saying it doesn't happen with a revolver. There are way way more people who own and carry glocks then revolvers this is why you hear about more ND with them not cause it's less likely to happen with a revolver but because the amount of people who carry a Glock for EDC is probably the highest number of any gun. Second the only safety you need is the one between your ears. This guy's safety malfuntioned in that case. Get off your high horse. Again I don't really like glocks but don't be a tard. Glock operates the same as a revolver. You have to pull the trigger and it goes bang, no other safety's in that respect so saying because you don't hear about ND with revolvers is just idiotic. AGAIN it's because of the amount of people that carry a glock that you hear about more of them.
@Grenadier Seriously dude? I agree with you about the safety course for people who are unfamiliar with guns and such to a small point, but you must definitely be one of those people because it IS NOT a big no no in police or military. I have been in the military, retired and am now a federal LEO and also work part time at a state department and EVERYONE has ALWAYS carried with one in the chamber, it is stupid to not do so. Ok, so if that is what you mean unfamiliar people carrying a gun should do then fine, but to blatantly lie that military and police officers NEVER carry one in the chamber is moronic. You need to learn your facts before you go blabbering stuff because it makes you look like as much of an idiot as the people who carry with no experience and no safety courses.
@Bos027 Every police officer I have ever worked with across any agency carries with one in the pipe.
I just bought my first Glock because I found I could buy a thumb safety kit. My Glock 30sf is at the gunsmith right now having it installed.
If Ms Denton were to follow the link that ITS Tactical kindly provided, she would see that the Galco Belt Slide Holster was being worn in the manner the manufacturer intended.
this is an in the pants type holster. So, it is right. Linda, have you been around firearms long or are you one of those people that have an opinion about something you know nothing about. Neophyte.
If you look closely at the photos and his description of where he it carried he had the holster backwards. With a holster such as this the gun is outside of the belt; the belt goes behind the gun thru loops on the back from right to left then to belt buckle, not with gun between belt and pants. Wearing the holster the way he described causes the holster to bend backwards causing the weakness to form on the front of the holster
HUH??? Plastic push button bead?? That is attached to the drawstring? HUH? An empty chamber can't stop stupid. The new FBI stat is that 75% of gunfight occur -WITHIN- 6 FEET! Do you really think that you are able to draw and rack within that time frame and space? You're going to be fighting for your life and load the gun at the same time?
I have to dis agree with one of your points, a police officer is not going to carry without one in the pipe. Yeah it only takes a couple seconds to rack the slide but that is a couple seconds he could be using for sight alignment. I train with ex military and current and ex police officers on a regular basis. They all say the same thing: "if you don't carry with one in the pipe you might as well leave your gun at home" ... Where do you think the term "lock and load" comes from anyway?
And that is why I won't buy a glock. no decocker or safety except the trigger safety which I am NOT a big fan of.
I've seen another discharge event like this at a LE shooting range. When the officer was holstering his Glock, the plastic push button bead that is attached to the draw string got caught in the trigger guard. The bullet went through his thigh. I've always carried empty chamber. And practiced drawing and racking. Since I'm not L.E. this is a much safer way to carry. This discharge accident would not have happened if he carried condition three. My 2 cents.
That is what happens when people who never been in a military have a right to get a gun without any safety course or any kind of course what so ever... it's insane to carry a gun with a bullet in a chamber... it's big no no in police or military, except special force when they approach terrorists... Only clueless amateurs can do that, internet is full of morons and "rangers" who support this idea... Holster is just a holster, some of them soft, some hard material, it shouldn't matter...
This isn't really a safety warning, more a "don't be a dumbass" warning.
Seriously, who would willingly use that holster? It has Tex Grebner written all over it.
If you value your safety, check your gear regularly and trash it when it's worn out. This is easy.
This isn't really a safety warning, more a "don't be a dumbass" warning. Seriously, who would willingly use that holster? It has Tex Grebner written all over it. If you value your safety, check your gear regularly and trash it when it's worn out. This is easy.
@Dave You don't run someone over and then blame the car! A trigger safety is not safe! Don't blame the gear!
Man! such a rare incident, but it can happen. Glocks are amazing, but this is why they're not as safe as having a thumb safety. But! You can't beat a glock. They're just amazing.
A well designed KYDEX holster of any stile, IWB, OWB, or pocket carry is the way to go.
glad all is well and be safe !
A well designed KYDEX holster of any stile, IWB, OWB, or pocket carry is the way to go. glad all is well and be safe !
Doesn't matter if it was a Glock or a Sig ... a $ holster or a $$$ holster .... regardless of whether it happened the way he stated or not, the main focus should be safety. The article reminded me, once again, of how we should all be cognizant of our responsibilities as gun owners whether it's checking our equipment, our surroundings, etc. I'm glad he wasn't hurt ...
If your running leather you have to treat it right. Keep it cleaned and oiled. But not a lot of people know what to do with soft leather. Chemical stiffeners are available, but when I was playing baseball in college (TX & NM) we would throw our gloves in zip lock bags and toss them in to ice baths to stiffen them up. Works during the game. Or buy a raven concealment.
Form fitted holster and pistols with 1911 style safeties are the way to go, Like the M&P or the XDM. I know the galco holster is not cheep, But this is still a cheep belt slide holster. Holsters the are made so the mouth stays open are even better. Never have been a fan of the glock for this reason.
Obviously, if the guy had a DA or a pistol with a safety, this would not have happened, even with the beat up holster.
Glock leg strikes again.