Worn Leather Holsters SAFETY WARNING: Accidental Discharges

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SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!

By The ITS Crew

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Editor-in-chief’s note: We’d like to thank the anonymous individual who came forward with this important information and allowed us to get it out to everyone here at ITS Tactical.

“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite cafe and got into the car.

Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.

The bullet nicked my hip, but the wound is nothing a bandage couldn’t cover. So what went wrong? Guns never go “Bang” all by themselves.

After ensuring I wasn’t hemorrhaging profusely and didn’t have to make a dash for the hospital, I stayed seated in the car as my wife came around to my door and opened it. I undid my belt and slid the Galco JAK202 Slide Belt Holster, with the gun still in it, off my belt. Why it went off was immediately apparent.

Accidental Discharge

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does after lots of use; It got soft. This particular holster carries the pistol outside the waistband, but inside the belt. The belt slides through slots in the outer side of the holster.

The problem stemmed from the leather on the inner side of the holster getting soft. A crease formed, which eventually was large enough to extend beyond the trigger. Manipulate the gun in just the wrong manner and this crease is no different than a finger on the trigger. Boom!

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected. On this day, did I forget to do that when I holstered up? Did the leather finally get so soft that a combination of body movements and interference by the cushy leather seat move the Glock enough to create a situation where the trigger was engaged by the holster?

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but I’ll humbly admit to the former as the likely culprit. However, if it was the latter, then those of you who use this type of holster need to be aware of its limitations and the possibility of experiencing what I did.

It might have been a very different story had the incident happened while we were dining. That bullet ricocheting off the concrete floor could have done untold damage and just as easily killed somebody. Fortunately nobody got hurt and damage to the car was minimal. It will be an interesting conversation with the insurance company to see if they’ll cover the repairs.

Lessons Learned

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

Holstering your gun can be just as important as drawing it. Make sure you pay attention when doing so. If your leather is getting soft and worn, be sure that it won’t interfere with your trigger or just replace it.

The back of the slide and/or grip was being pushed downward into the leather holster…or the holster was being pushed upward with some force. My guess is the firearm was being pushed and the fold in the holster acted as a finger and depressed the Glock trigger safety.

This truly brings home the importance of taking care of your equipment and ensuring it’s in proper working order. Hopefully you can learn from my situation and prevent an accident like this from happening to you.

Editor-in-chief’s note: We’d like to thank the anonymous individual who came forward with this important information and allowed us to get it out to everyone here at ITS Tactical.

Please share this with everyone you know that carries in a leather holster!

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Discussion

  • Ouch! Glad he and no one else was hurt. I’ll defiantly pass this along.

  • martin_j001

    Looks like it could have been entirely preventable to me. Part of my carry routine is to make sure my carry gear is in good condition and won’t be the cause of something like this. Reinforcement around the opening is present on all leather holsters I own. Glad no one was seriously injured, and hopefully others can learn from this.

  • Alden

    I have a holster similar to that. I do not use it on a regular basis, but a reminder is always appreciated. Thanks for continuing a tradition of informative posts.

  • Perhaps a case against light weight trigger pull for SD carry guns?

    • Deathbunny

      Nope.

      But a case for a RIGID holster and consistent, every time visual inspection of the holster before holstering a pistol with no manual safety.

      Or a case for carrying a pistol with a manual safety.

  • Wayne K.

    Could it also be possible that using a leather conditioner too often contributed to the too soft leather? That can happen with some folks, that is why I only use a leather conditioner/cleaner a couple or three times. Hey, maybe it is time to consider Kydex too.

    Glad you weren’t hurt any worse and that no one else was injured.

  • Justin M

    Definitely preventable!! Don’t carry with a round chambered…and IF you must put the damn safety on!!

    • Justin, In regard to the condition of carry, I’m a STRONG advocate of Condition 1 or Condition 0. I always carry Condition 0 with my Sig, as my finger is my safety. Do you really think that you’re going to have the time to rack the slide in certain situations?

    • Matt

      First off… not carrying with a round in the chamber is an extra second that could cost you your life. Second, Glocks don’t have a “safety” per say. The ultimate lesson as the person already explained to you, was to check your gear, and to holster safely.

    • Sad example of someone who could not rack the slide to save his life. Note, he made 3 attempts.
      Warning the link is to some graphic footage.
      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712

    • Justin you do make a good point, kinda. This is all in your training. I’ve trained with some guys that were former Israeli Commandos and they constantly train to draw, rack and fire. Part of this is so that if they are in a fire fight and pick up a foreign gun their instinct is to rack and fire. Now this is learned after 1000’s of rounds of training. And like the clip that Alex provided if you do not train for this process instinctively it will cost you your life if it ever hits the fan!

  • bill

    Your a fucking fool for carrying into any kid of place like a dinner, hotel, night club. I don’t know where your from but where I live there are some pretty lenient laws. Conceal carry permits, open carry in a wide range of places, military can purchase with their IDS etc. But still there are a list of places you can not carry. I.E. those mentioned above. Your not a sheriff in the old west asshole. What would you have done if that round would have hit some one? maybe even a child? What idiot carries into a place with a large congregation of people. It’s just not worth it. You lack discipline and responsibility!

    • Matt

      you are a shining example of why mass shootings happen. “No guns allowed” just means “target rich environment.” I believe this post makes YOU the asshole Bill.

    • Sad naive little man.

      As Matt mentioned, all these places are soft targets and places were some whack job who thinks his life sucks starts off loading rounds. Conceal Carry is a life style. We don’t carry only to locations that we think something bad will happen. We carry just in case, God forbid, something does ever happen.

      So Bill, you don’t carry into a large congregation of people, like you said. Some random crazed lunatic starts firing on innocent women and children would it be worth it if you could stop that person? Would it be worth to protect your wife and children if they were there?

      That’s why I carry. That’s why I train every week and put 100’s of rounds a month down range. Not hoping that something will ever happen…….but prepared if it does!

    • rkuntz

      Bill, you are the fool, and no denying it. Do you honestly not understand that the list of places where lawful carry is prohibited varies from state to state? I carry into all those places because where I live, none of those places are prohibited. If the fellow who shared the story is in Florida, then he broke no laws.

      Next, your manners are nonexistent as, I suspect, is your fortitude. Anonymously calling someone you will never meet rude names says nothing about him and lots about you.

      Last, your mindset is lousy. If you chose to carry for self defense, and do not carry everywhere it is legal to do so, you have turned the weapon into a magical talisman that you believe will ward off evil. If you KNEW where you were going to need your weapon — well then you wouldn’t go there.

      Your criticism of this fellow grows from your own ignorance, bad manners, lack of training and poor mindset. Whereas my criticism of you grows from the fact that, in a single comment, you have revealed everything I need to know to make the necessary judgment.

    • One of the ways to avoid drawing a gun and fighting for you life it to avoid putting yourself in situations as much as you possibly can (e.g. proper planning, knowing your surroundings, being alert, etc.). On that note Bill, you have failed miserably. Walking into a place like ITS Tactical and telling people not to be armed is like walking into a cave and telling a bear that it shouldn’t have claws.

    • concerned

      yup, I am sure places with large amounts of people will never have a fire, so why have fire extinguishers in those places? They just cost money

    • Jay

      Ya you big poopie head !

  • xpo172

    Have I mentioned how much I love my XD?

  • ouch! glad he’s okay… jeez

  • Rob

    This could also speak to the quality of the holster you decide to use. I never understood why people spent $1000 to $2000 on a carry handgun, and then use a $20 holster. Looking at the holster used by this guy and the quality of the leather. This could have been avoided by the use of a quality holster. I have an IWB Desanti leather holster that I have used for 7 or 8 years. The leather is much thicker and is reinforced so things like this won’t happen. They may eventually, but I would replace it if that was ever the case.

    • Deathbunny

      I’ve got a couple of Galco’s and they’re pretty nice plus well made. I like the fact they fit my pistol–and I only carry one kind–very well.

      Then again, I carry a pistol WITH a manual safety and a non-blocky trigger-guard profile without an square cross-section. I also routinely inspect both the pistol and the holster for fit and wear and discard/replace as necessary.

      But, that’s just me.

  • Matt

    I’m glad my XDM has multiple safety features… and my Comptac holster doesn’t have the ability to fold. Glad to hear the guy is ok. Always check your gear.

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  • Bryson

    Guy bought a cheap (quality-wise), off-the-rack holster that’s built to give gun stores something to sell with a high profit margin. I have a 6 year old “custom” (handmade) leather holster I carry every day, but my leather shows no signs of anything like this. I also think the headline of this article is extremely misleading. It isn’t *worn* leather that causes *accidental* discharges. It’s *cheap* leather and a lack situational awareness, that caused a *negligent* discharge. I encourage you to update the title of this post to reflect this. Especially since he admitted he knew the problem existed prior to this happening.

    With that said, I’m glad he’s alright and that the damage was all material, and not a large chunk of his leg. Definitely brings to the forefront the need to continuously inspect and maintain your gear. Hopefully he’ll take a hint next time, and when he notices a crease forming in the trigger area of his next holster he’ll ditch the unserviceable gear and replace it. Or even better, use this as a learning experience and invest in a quality leather holster and dramatically lower the risk of holster-related failure.

    • Casey

      I agree with you completely, especially regarding the distinction between accidental and negligent discharges – in this situation, the gun did exactly what it was designed to do, which is to fire when the trigger was pulled.

      To echo what others have said, carry gear needs to be inspected on a regular basis. If you take the time to make sure that you have a round chambered and a magazine inserted in your carry weapon before you leave the house, then you can take the time to inspect your support equipment (holster, spare mags, flashlight, etc.).

      Concealed carry truly is a lifestyle, and is not to be taken lightly, as is obvious in this case.

  • Ryan

    I love my xD and it’s back-strap safety. But something to look out for all the same.

  • Marty Black

    Did he (or y’all) contact Galco and inform them of this problem? I had a Galco just like this several years ago and never got comfortable with it.

    • Eric Yoder

      Ive been carrying for 15+ years, and have always used galco leather. They do not make “cheap” products, imho. However, I must admit, Ive never seen this holster before. The galco holsters I buy are always stitched and re-enforced on both sides of the opening. I would say staying away from this particular holster, and any that are designed like it would prevent a similar situation. Glad he is ok, and hopefully we all learned a valuable lesson about the rigs we chose to carry.

    • William

      Eric,
      I beg to differ. Galco makes the Combat Master. It is a belt slide full sized holster that has NO reinforcing of the mouthbecause of the way it’s made; it is simply two flat pieces of leather sewed together to fit a 1911(in my case). Very quality holster in terms of workmanship, but I wouldn’t buy this style for a Glock. Frankly, I have never understood why Glock didn’t put a manual safety on their gun as I have seen ads for having one added by a gunsmith. I’ll stick with my 1911’s, thanks.

  • Tony

    Like others have said, this does not appear to be a problem with leather holsters, but rather with using *cheap* holsters, and not knowing the condition your carry gear is in.

    • Deathbunny

      Galco’s aren’t usually cheap unless it’s the Kydex rigid type that would have actually prevented the problem in the first place…

      The problem the guy in the story had was putting a pistol with no external safety in a non-rigid holster he didn’t visually inspect before holstering…

  • Glad all is OK but this is the same mistake I see so many people make.

    Rule one when buying a weapon.

    1. Don’t ever buy a GLOCK.

    >HK. No Compromise.

  • infidelNYC

    Glad he is ok, but again, another reason added on to why I hate Glocks! There was an episode with the NYPD when the Glocks first came into service where an officer was frisking someone and accidentally shot him due to the trigger system…now I know it is partially the officer’s fault but also the lack of safety systems with Glocks…they used to call the trigger safety a NEW YORK SAFETY after this happened, also why carry with a round in the chamber to go to a breakfast..or for any real concealed carry, unless on duty. Have to say don’t see that happening with any one of my SIG’s or my 1911’s even if they are chambered. I also would like to add, have several Galco holster systems and have never had anything even close to this happen, whether on duty or not. Stay safe all!
    Lee

    • Steve Barnhart

      My recollection is that NYPD had Glock design a replacement for their standard trigger spring. The “New York Trigger” is a replacement item that increases the standard trigger pull from 5.5 lb. to 11 pounds. I believe there are two versions available, one with a higher initial resistance than the first.

      It was designed to facilitate the transition from revolvers to the semi-auto Glock.

      -Steve Barnhart

    • Jay

      Funny thing about SHTF, it never lets you know in advance. In a video game when the scene is getting hot the music intensifies, in reality your out side having a coffee and a truck driven by TCN explodes 50m from your postion. I train and train often and I have been stressed to the point im not sure I would remember to charge one into the pipe. If your serious about carrying and defending your self and loved ones. Train, repeat and carry 1 in the pipe.

      The world is a very unsafe place, Condition yellow my friend.

  • I’m surprised with all the comments about not having a round in the chamber. I cant think of one situation where you would want to have an empty chamber.
    When I was a MP in the Army we couldn’t have a round in and that was insane. I couldn’t imagine doing that again.

  • Aaron McDoomsday

    Having an empty chamber on a conceal carry weapon is akin to having a Shelby Cobra with no engine… What’s the point?

    #1, Safety first, know and check your gear.
    #2, choose a weapon with either a good safety system, or a double action trigger and a method to disarm/uncock the weapon.
    #3, Check your gear.
    #4,Practice drawing and holstering technique as often as possible: dry fire/snap caps.
    #5, check your gear.
    #6, Practice live fire drills as often as possible

  • Steve

    ITS Tactical and the anonymous article author,

    First, thankfully no one was seriously hurt. Second, thank you for sharing your experience. A good lesson for everyone.

    ~Steve

  • Chase k.

    At the risk of starting something that will anger a great number of people, this is the kind of incident that has always made me distrust glock style weapons. While the holster and lack of situational awareness are to blame for this, an accidental discharge of this type would not have been possible with a manual safety. I know that the glock has a avid group of followers, which I do not want to insult, however it seems to me that the resistance to a manual safety can only stem from lack of commitment to the slight amount of extra training it takes to master a much safer system. With a small amount of training, anyone can bring their weapon to bear and disengage a manual safety as fast as drawing a weapon with a “lazy-mans trigger”. It seems that, in light of the number of similar incidents, it may be time to reconsider a weapon with such an easily bypassed safety system.

  • patrick thomas

    XD has added grip safety. However I have the 5 ” tactical and don’t have many holster options. Any suggestions on holsters?

  • Terry Kowalik

    I’m glad to see that this incident resulted in no major injuries. I’m also suprised that it’s stirred up the internet trolls as much as it has. One of the great things about the ITS community is the lack of trolls – I’d suggest that you guys go elsewhere for your kicks.

    Back on topic, love it or hate it, the Glock style “safety” has proven quite reliable over the years with very few accidental discharges attributed to it. This one can be put down to faulty gear and a little negligence on behalf of the owner for not investigating/rectifying the issue with the holster when it was first noticed.

    While I come from a country where carrying a concealed firearm is some sort of crazy dream (Australia) I honestly can’t see a need to carry one cocked and locked at all times. If you’re somewhere so dangerous that you won’t have time to cock the weapon before use, it may be time to think about moving 😛

    Cheers,
    Terry

    • Soldier of Fortune

      Terry Kowalik,

      I respect your opinion, but are you kidding? Glocks are the culprit in a ton of NDs. (No such thing as an “accidental” discharge, IMHO.) Who know, maybe this is more common in America…

      Also, last I checked, criminals practice their trade in all sorts of communities; moving elsewhere won’t matter much if fate knocks at your door one day and you need to defend your life or that of another. If one is trained well enough to carry and comfortable doing so, one should be doing so in a manner that will ensure that the gun may be used before the other guys uses his.

      Huge difference between flipping a thumb safety and racking a slide when SHTF.

    • Casey

      Terry, I carry a handgun with a round in the chamber (cocked and locked for you 1911 nuts) because I’m not expecting trouble, but I know that it can happen, and I don’t have a say in when and where that may be. Chances are that if I need my gun, I need it RIGHT NOW, so carrying in a manner that would hamper that is unwise.

      If I think a place is dangerous enough that I will need a gun in order to be safe there, I probably wouldn’t go there in the first place.

      Like I said, the gun is there just in case, because bad things can happen anywhere, including “safe” places like schools and churches.

    • Deathbunny

      If you’re expecting trouble…

      …smart people bring a rifle, a shotgun, or a combination of those and a trusted (trained) friend or two, eh?

  • Paul

    I’m another who’s never been fond of the Glock and its “safety” features. Thanks for sharing!

  • dagamore

    The firearm went off, because the Glock ‘Safe Trigger’ is not a real safety, any firearm with a non trigger safety would not have discharged. I doubt a 1911(any brand/version) would have discharged, I doubt any revolver with the longer stiffer trigger would have gone off.

    While cases like this might be very rare, its still shows a flaw(IMHO) in the Glock design.

  • James

    It is clear, from what i seen in the pictures this was not a one time unavoidable issue, the one picture showing the mouth of the holster holding the kink in the leather tells me it was this way for a while as leather does not form and mold in one use like that, this it has been that way for a while now.

    The owner was aware of this in my opinion, and could have avoided this as well.

    Just my $0.02

    • James

      just another note on this after my last post.

      nothing i read indicated to me he was a left handed shooter, it is apparent it is a left strong side holster worn properly. wither Left Strong or cross draw,

      the thicker part of the holster if worn properly would have been against him not on the outside of the firearm. where as the thinner softer side, (that kinked in on the trigger), would have been on the outside of the firearm stretching outwards due to the weight of the firearm. even if he was cross drawing the weapon with his left hand.

      So to me it seems his actions have 100% been at fault not the manufacture because he did not use the item as it was intended.

      as it was a OWB holster used in an inappropriate manner, apparently under the tension of a belt that led to this issue.

      I personally think this writing should not have been posted without review of it, and should be removed and a retraction posted, as it was 100% user fault for intentionally and knowingly using a product as it was not intended for.

      I am not a lawyer, nor do i represent anyone that is involved. just my opinion

    • FatChance

      The pictures show that he was carrying in a right handed configuration and if you look at Galco’s site, you will see that he was wearing it as they proscribe and intended.
      That being said, it was still an operator error as he knew there was an issue and he mentions making sure that he was careful when inserting the pistol into the holster. It’s just a good thing that he had the guts to publicly admit and document his mistake so that others may learn from it. Too many people posting here are still in the mindset that this can NEVER happen to them because they have a “better” gun, or “better” holster, instead of realizing that the unexpected can and does happen. CHECK YOUR GEAR.

  • EmsMedic121

    This is the perfect example why I use a IWB kydex holster like Crossbreed. Your not going to snag the trigger and shoot yourself while holstered. There was a local guy wearing a 1911 in a similar holster show above unknowingly disengaged the safety and discharged the weapon while sitting in a restaurant at dinner. Those pistol clips people are wearing on small firearms are just as bad. Last think you want to do is shoot yourself.

    • I use the IWB kydex holster for my glock. No misfires or accidental discharge. Its been used to draw and holster 000’s of times and apart of my EDC.

    • dagamore

      really? He somehow managed to a> click off the thumb safety, then b> depress the grip safety, and then c> press the trigger?

      I could see A and C happening, but a then b then c.

      Sorry i dont buy it.

    • Jay

      :::cough cough ::: BS :::: Cough Cough :::: Safety, Grip safety and apx 4 lb trigger pull ? hmmmm your suspect intra-facilitymedic121 very suspect.

  • RandyP

    Yet another reason why I don’t like Glocks. I also agree that this is really a borderline AD and more like a ND.

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  • Man this has really turned into a NASCAR’isc discussion. Glock vs. HK vs. Sig vs. Chevy vs. Ford vs. Creamy vs. Chunky!!!!

    I think the author was trying to convey (maybe unintentionally) is to make sure you use your gear properly, take care of your gear and inspect your gear to minimize the risk of incident. Not, “if he’d of used a 1911 this would’ve never happened!” Well eventually it would have, like one person said already there is no such thing as an accidental discharge. Negligence is the culprit not the gun manufacturer.

    • Jay

      Chunky please.

    • Deathbunny

      Ummm…

      You do realize that any manual safety–assuming it was on–would have prevented this, right?

      The only reason it’s Glock vs. [Insert random modern gun name here] is that the Glock lacks a manual safety?

      For that matter, a cocked 1911 with the safety OFF probably wouldn’t have gone off anyway because of the grip safety. So, yeah, a 1911 user would have a had a lot harder time making this sort of thing happen.

      Negligence is definitely the culprit, but that negligence is about mixing the Glock design (no external safety) with a soft-sided holster he didn’t inspect before inserting his pistol into. Choosing another pistol (almost any other modern design) and/or consistently inspecting the interior of the holster before every insertion AND only using a rigid holster design would have prevented this issue.

  • Stephanie

    Another reason to open carry? Open carry holsters are level 2 or higher with the leather ones usually being a thumb break. Even when I conceal, I have my fugly level 2 serpa OWB on. I use vests to CC in warmer weather, or I just OC when I feel like it ( in PA). No one seems to notice anyway.

  • Shoulda had that Glock in a Kholster!

    • Deathbunny

      …and visually inspect the holster for debris before every insertion.

  • Patrick Scott

    Gonna admit, I didnt read much past the first two Glock bashing posts. Here is something for you Glock haters to think about. Under the stress of a self defense situation, can you with 110% certainty tell me that you will remember to flick your external safety back on as you are grabbing your wife/kid/ ect and hauling ass out of there? Unless you have been there, you can’t. A Glock with a long 5lb trigger is gonna be way more safe than a 1911(or similar) with a nice crisp 3lb’er that you forgot to put the safety back on. FWIW I love(and own) the 1911, but I carry Glocks with bone stock internals in kydex holsters.

    • Deathbunny

      That’s what practice is for…

      …and sticking to a familiar pistol/family of pistols.

      I’ll admit it freaked me out the first time I noticed it, but after a few hundred rounds of practice fire including holster presentations with my Browning Hi-Power, I noticed I wasn’t thinking about whether the safety was on or off and every time I checked it, it was in the correct position.

      Muscle memory–once you have it–can do powerful things.

      That’s why shooters should always focus on correctly practicing correct form and correct procedure every time because that’s the way their body is going to run the gun when they get under stress.

      (It’s also why I like to suggest familiarizing with many weapons but specializing on a single one or family of them with the same ergonomics…)

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  • Russell Moore

    Purchase a Fobus Holster and that won’t happen. I wear my CZ75 on my right side, and at times my seatbelt has slapped my holster. The design of the Fobus a mis-fire can’t happen due a holster malfunction. It covers the trigger, trigger guard, and (depending on the type of firearm) the mag. release as well. Humans are imperfect and accidents happen, but with a firearm I don’t want an accidents to happen. Check your gear every time.

    • FatChance

      “The design of the Fobus a mis-fire can’t happen due a holster malfunction.”
      Never say Never… The point is, check to make sure all of your gear is in proper operating condition. No gun, holster or operator is exempt.

  • Harry Brown

    Maybe he will take better care of his equipment in the future. I have made holster for almost 50 years and can tell you that the quality of the leather is a BIG factor. BUT, don’t blame the holster maker any more than you would blame the gun maker! Thanks.

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  • tom hellmue

    trigger safety= ND it’s an oxymoron
    just saying it is an alarm bell ringing. Hey my gun has a trigger safety,
    well duah all guns have a trigger safety, it is called not pulling it.
    trigger safety = no safety device = dangrous gun

    • Jay

      Every “gun” is dangerous, however proper instruction of the employ of the weapon system prevents accidents. Part of using any weapon system is proper maintenance of your equipment and support equipement IE Holster. The lesson learned here is not how unsafe a Glock is (I carry a G17 Daily months at a time for work), the lesson learned here is how complacency can be dangerous. Deploying a worn holster is irresponsible, that said the author of the story was man enough to admit to his folly.

      Buy a gun, train with your gun, maintain your gun, repeat daily your mileage may vary.

    • Deathbunny

      Basically, all the Glock design does is export the safety mechanisms for carrying it off of the pistol and either into the shooter’s brain (i.e. training) or into the carrying equipment (i.e. holster). Most other designs retain the ability to make the weapon harder to accidentally or negligently fire on the gun in the form of safeties and features like loaded chamber indicators, etc. This means those other designs–and, yes, the M1911 is a classic example of it–handle being carried in a lower quality holster, a less complex holster (like belt-slides), or even no holsters with a lower degree of risk than Glocks.

      That’s the design issue with Glocks. Like you said, carrying a Glock must come with a commitment to a higher degree of safety awareness (safety exported into your brain) and equipment care/maintenance (safety exported into the holster) than other designs.

      It’s the price you pay for a simple “grab (the gun) and pull (the trigger)” pistol…

  • Jeremy Jackson

    and the #1 reason I won’t ever own/carry a Glock is illustrated above. I stick to my HK USP that has a selection lever to turn the safety off…I train by switching that lever to FIRE as I’m unholstering/acquring the target…not while I’m fastening a seat belt.

    Glad no one got hurt, at the same time, shame on you. Yes accidents do happen, but should never happen with regular equipment inspection and continued training.

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  • muaddib

    dont buy cheap holsters, problem solved.

    i have an andrews custom, there is a steel plate sandwiched between two layers of the leather over the trigger guard, impossible for this holster to do that.

    • Deathbunny

      It’s not a cheap holster, it’s a Glock-inappropriate holster once it’s no longer rigid.

      Like I said below, it’s not the Gun and it’s not the holster. It is the combination of a Glock in a non-rigid holster plus a shooter who didn’t visually inspect the interior of the holster every time he holstered a loaded Glock.

      That’s all it is… The combination.

      It’s the price people pay for the simple Glock ergonomics–the shifting of added safety responsibility into the holster and your attention…

  • turbothis

    Seriously? This isn’t an AD it’s a ND. He should have tossed that holster a long time ago.

    TT

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  • 230therapy

    The real problem is this guy was using a range holster for daily concealed carry. There is not sufficient material to fully cover the trigger area. It worked its way into the trigger guard after the leather became soft from use. This could have been avoided with the proper choice of gear.

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  • Steve Barnhart

    As a law enforcement instructor, I encourage everyone to select a holster with complete coverage of the trigger guard to avoid this specific issue.

    On the other hand, I once had a suspect manage to shoot himself (fatally) when he attempted to draw a revolver from an older-style holster with a completely exposed trigger. He had fled into a nearby wooded area and we were searching for him with a tracking dog. The track was unsuccessful (we thought), and we were actually heading out of the woods to terminate the search.

    When we came across him, he attempted to draw from the holster which was tucked in the front of his pants. He was lying on top of the gun when attempted the draw, and fired the gun while it was still in the holster. The single bullet passed through his abdomen and out his back.

    This was his last mistake.

    -Steve Barnhart

  • mark

    Poor guy. If it were me, I’d at least lie and say it was a .45, lest I lose face for carrying a 9mm in addition to having the dubious distinction of having managed to shoot myself.

    • Jay

      9mm is a combat effective round. It may not be a .50 but this argument of 9mm being not lethal is a myth. I have been witness to many 9mm rounds ending target advance from the barrel of an M9. It is fast, accurate round with increased capacity. It may not hit with .45 power at 25m, however you should not be using it at the range. But hey if you don’t think it hurts …..

  • Deathbunny

    You carried a Glock in a holster made of flexible material.

    It’s not (exactly) a Glock issue.

    It’s not a leather holster issue.

    It’s the combination.

    If you own a Glock you must ALWAYS use a RIGID holster and visually inspect the interior of the holster every time you put a loaded pistol in it.

    There is no margin of error with a Glock. It’s the price you pay for for the simplified ergonomics. If you don’t manage your firearm, it will manage you.

    You simply need to consider yourself lucky and well-warned. Then, you either need to upgrade to a RIGID holster and inspection routine or you need to get a gun with a manual safety.

    That’s it.

  • frank

    I carry everywhere….I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6

  • One downside to Glocks is they are only safe until something pulls the trigger. An XD would not have fired if the grip safety was not being pushed in. I like having that one little extra bit of safety. It is nice to not have to worry about getting shot in the ass by your holster.

    • Tinkerbell

      It’s been said a ton of times and I will repeat it again if YOU the gun carrier do not inspect YOUR gear then you are an unsafe individual who shouldn’t be carrying a firearm. The good part of this story is that there was only a minor injury to the ding bat who’s holster was an obvious issue and no one else was injured.
      It is not Glock or Galco’s fault that this person did this.
      I happily & safely carry a Glock every single day and when I get dressed in the morning my gear is inspected, all the way from the belt loops on my pants to the firearm going in the holster. If anything doesn’t seem right I rectify the situation, FYI I would do that even if I carried a firearm with a manual safety.
      Just my 2 cents from this 100 lb woman who happens to work in the firearm industry also

  • Pop N Fresh

    Milt Sparks or go home

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  • Houston Gray

    It is called a negligent discharge, and even the author admits that he is likely to blame for this incident. There is no such thing as an “accidental discharge.” If traced to its root cause, you will always find negligence behind an unintentional discharge.
    (But thank you for posting it just the same – knowledge is power and us gun folks really need to stick together in order to retain our power. )

    But I agree about the Glock “safety.” With so many law enforcement individuals using these as their carry gun, and so few of them staying vigilant about proper handling and carrying, I am surprised this doesn’t happen more often. A simple grip safety would make that gun a much better tool.

    • Cliff

      I believe that I would call it an unintentional discharge. Thank you.

  • Sammy

    Brilliant… guy shoots himself in the ass, then issues a warning about leather holsters. I think the bigger problem here is that some people really don’t have any business carrying a Glock, chamber loaded. Of course with this kind of talent, he’d probably have shot himself in the ass with a Bodyguard, too.

  • Zach

    I see your wife drives a manual. Nice.

    • Jay

      LOL BEST COMMENT EVER ! Zach what kind of car do you think it is? I am gonna say honda accord.

  • Jester

    I’m copying and pasting what I posted in a forum about this… It has strong language in it… Deal with it…

    Guys get your heads out of your collective asses… ANY gun that does not have a manual safety is subject to this possibly happening!

    That includes multiple models of Glock, H&K, Kahr, Kel-Tec, Rossi, Sig, Taurus, etc… Pistols and Revolvers!

    As much as don’t care for Glocks, I’m getting tired of seeing this same bullshit bashing.

    Bottom line, if you have a Negligent Discharge (THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE) there is NO ONE nor NO THING to blame except yourself!

    You screwed up, You got complacent, You fucked up! Learn from it and move on!

  • Don

    Use the wrong sized holster and stupid stuff can happen. The 202 is for a Beretta 92/M9, not a G19/23.

    • Jay

      Tisk Tisk Don, they make a 202 for g17, 19 etc etc. Bad Don no candy!!!!!

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  • Shorty

    No matter how much experience this guy has he is a novice responsibility carrier, more over he could have killed someone with a bullet bounce (can’t spell the actual word) and should never be allowed to carry anything more dangerous than a straw and spit wad.

    • Mark

      I think this situation brings to light something that is more prevalent then most of us would like to admit. Most of us will spend hundreds or even thousands of on a firearm with out blinking an eye and then stuff it into a $5.00 holster picked out of a box of bargain basement
      pickins or even worse stuff it into a pocket. I have seen it a hundred times. We will clean, replace springs, spit shine our favorite Rosco and never even look at what it is carried in it.
      I can’t believe this doesn’t happen more often or maybe it does but most people are to embarassed to admit it.

    • bud hildebrand

      where did you ever buy a $5.00 holster??????

    • Sharpie

      The gun show, actually it was $10 and it was an uncle mikes nylon holster.

    • jason

      lol yes sure ya have got to love a glock….the trigger is the safety yep darn good safety ya got right there my next gun will def be a glock lol

    • Mark

      So you are saying it was the guns fault….The last time I checked. The person wearing the gear is supposed to inspect it for serviceability……Mommy must still do that for ya…WOW……

    • Yup. No one should ever carry a revolver, because the trigger is the safety.

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  • JP

    This doesn’t quite ring true to me.

    I can see that little fold of leather causing a discharge when holstering, but not just pivoting back and forth as is claimed. I just dont see how that motion could create the necessary rearward travel on the trigger.

    • bud hildebrand

      I totally agree!!!!!

    • Rick Hofelich

      Perhaps when holstering, the trigger was depressed most of the way ,but not quite enough to discharge. Very little additional movement would be needed.

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  • Shadekitty

    How about the title “Take care of your gear OR it will take care of you”… (or someone else).

  • JWC

    Since we are revealing holster problems, I will add to the mix. In 1977, I was carrying a .45 Combat in a Lewis Spring Clip Holster. To the pistol, I had added a trigger shoe an ambidextrous safety. While getting into the drivers seat, my pistol went off in the holster and hit me in my left foot while it was still outside the car.

    Cause was determined to be that the safety had worked off and the pistol rode up inside the holster and the internal spring of the holster continued to clamp down on the pistol. The trigger shoe was caught above the spring and my belly roll pushed the pistol, using the grip safety, back down into the holster thereby causing it to go off.

    This is something like a perfect storm. Everything was working just right at the same time to cause the discharge. There was no wear on the holster but adding a trigger shoe is not something you want to do with a Colt Commander if you use a Lewis Spring Clip Holster.

    Hope someone reads this and if they are using similar equipment that they take warning.

    • bud hildebrand

      we are talking about a glock!!!!!

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  • JWS

    While exiting the jail I was reholstering my firearm when the trigger caught on the thumb release of the holster’s retaining strap. The strap was very long as it was designed to not go over the back of the slide but around the top of the slide. The bullet entered my thigh and exited through the back of my knee. All told, I was extremely fortunate as all healed well. ALWAYS use care when holstering and if you are not confident in the equipment then don’t use it.

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  • Note the author’s quote “I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster.”. Wait a second. You KNEW the holster was damaged, and damaged right at the trigger, and KNEW that was potentially Lethal and you STILL used it?

    Please turn in your firearms, you are far to irresponsible to keep them.

    • Stephen

      No, he knew his leather holster had a crease in it. That doesn’t exactly mean it’s going to explode. I don’t think anyone knew that creased leather was potentially lethal — few gun owners expect their holster to try and shoot them.

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  • lone wolf

    I have owned a glock for a decade now. It is reliable, accurate, but not sure I’d use it for carry. If I would have it in a holster I wouldn’t dream of carrying it around with one in the pipe. Your mileage may vary, that is how I call it for myself.

  • tim12232

    glad you were ok! Nice to see people still drive stick shifts too!

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  • jaydee

    I don’t get why people who carry a pistol want it in a sweat absorbing leather hoster. Glock and Fobus have far superior polymer holsters that don’t break down into mishapen accident initiators.

    • Uncle Dave

      Really? Those brands are made to be cheap and don’t fit well. I am not impressed. It’s like the old Bell Helemt ad “If you have a 20 dollar head, wear a 20 dollar helmet.” Most of the mass produced holsters suck compared to a reasonably priced custom made holster than may cost and extra 30 dollars that conceal better, more comfortably and last longer. I know that money is tight, it’s tight for me too, but the extra money for a good holster means alot less hassle in the long run. Leather is just more comforatable as you carry for extended period of time. If sweat is your worry then get horse hide. Your goal should always be maximum concealment and comfort.

  • As a holster maker I’m disturbed by the design of this rig. It’s unfortunate that the title of the article is “worn leather holsters can cause AD’s”. It should be “Worn, thin & poorly designed leather holsters can cause AD’s”. The holster in question lacks the support and weight of the leather to be regularly used inside of a belt, of course it’s going to be crushed and buckled. This is a combination of bad design and careless ownership/gun handling. I am a fan of leather and Kydex holsters, neither of which should cause this kind of problem.

  • JG

    Clearly user error…. WTF did you expect with that cheap ass holster, pushing against the trigger?

    • kusokurae

      Galco can hardly be classified as cheap-ass. This was a design flaw, although the holster itself was probably fairly expensive.

  • Bill

    Obviously, if the guy had a DA or a pistol with a safety, this would not have happened, even with the beat up holster.

    Glock leg strikes again.

  • Greg

    Form fitted holster and pistols with 1911 style safeties are the way to go, Like the M&P or the XDM. I know the galco holster is not cheep, But this is still a cheep belt slide holster. Holsters the are made so the mouth stays open are even better. Never have been a fan of the glock for this reason.

  • JAE

    Kydex/Plastic time.

  • voodoo3507

    If your running leather you have to treat it right. Keep it cleaned and oiled. But not a lot of people know what to do with soft leather. Chemical stiffeners are available, but when I was playing baseball in college (TX & NM) we would throw our gloves in zip lock bags and toss them in to ice baths to stiffen them up. Works during the game. Or buy a raven concealment.

  • Jo

    Doesn’t matter if it was a Glock or a Sig … a $ holster or a $$$ holster …. regardless of whether it happened the way he stated or not, the main focus should be safety. The article reminded me, once again, of how we should all be cognizant of our responsibilities as gun owners whether it’s checking our equipment, our surroundings, etc. I’m glad he wasn’t hurt …

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  • A well designed KYDEX holster of any stile, IWB, OWB, or pocket carry is the way to go.
    glad all is well and be safe !

  • Man! such a rare incident, but it can happen. Glocks are amazing, but this is why they’re not as safe as having a thumb safety. But! You can’t beat a glock. They’re just amazing.

  • Dave

    This isn’t really a safety warning, more a “don’t be a dumbass” warning.

    Seriously, who would willingly use that holster? It has Tex Grebner written all over it.

    If you value your safety, check your gear regularly and trash it when it’s worn out. This is easy.

  • Grenadier

    That is what happens when people who never been in a military have a right to get a gun without any safety course or any kind of course what so ever… it’s insane to carry a gun with a bullet in a chamber… it’s big no no in police or military, except special force when they approach terrorists… Only clueless amateurs can do that, internet is full of morons and “rangers” who support this idea… Holster is just a holster, some of them soft, some hard material, it shouldn’t matter…

    • Greg M

      I have to dis agree with one of your points, a police officer is not going to carry without one in the pipe. Yeah it only takes a couple seconds to rack the slide but that is a couple seconds he could be using for sight alignment. I train with ex military and current and ex police officers on a regular basis. They all say the same thing: “if you don’t carry with one in the pipe you might as well leave your gun at home” … Where do you think the term “lock and load” comes from anyway?

  • Pat

    I’ve seen another discharge event like this at a LE shooting range. When the officer was holstering his Glock, the plastic push button bead that is attached to the draw string got caught in the trigger guard. The bullet went through his thigh. I’ve always carried empty chamber. And practiced drawing and racking. Since I’m not L.E. this is a much safer way to carry. This discharge accident would not have happened if he carried condition three. My 2 cents.

    • Uncle Dave

      HUH??? Plastic push button bead?? That is attached to the drawstring? HUH? An empty chamber can’t stop stupid. The new FBI stat is that 75% of gunfight occur -WITHIN- 6 FEET! Do you really think that you are able to draw and rack within that time frame and space? You’re going to be fighting for your life and load the gun at the same time?

  • Greg M

    And that is why I won’t buy a glock. no decocker or safety except the trigger safety which I am NOT a big fan of.

    • ERNIE A

      I just bought my first Glock because I found I could buy a thumb safety kit. My Glock 30sf is at the gunsmith right now having it installed.

  • Linda Denton

    If you look closely at the photos and his description of where he it carried he had the holster backwards. With a holster such as this the gun is outside of the belt; the belt goes behind the gun thru loops on the back from right to left then to belt buckle, not with gun between belt and pants. Wearing the holster the way he described causes the holster to bend backwards causing the weakness to form on the front of the holster

    • Gerry from TEXAS

      this is an in the pants type holster. So, it is right. Linda, have you been around firearms long or are you one of those people that have an opinion about something you know nothing about. Neophyte.

    • Chris P.

      If Ms Denton were to follow the link that ITS Tactical kindly provided, she would see that the Galco Belt Slide Holster was being worn in the manner the manufacturer intended.
      http://www.usgalco.com/Catalog/large/Jak-Slide-SM.jpg

  • Gerry from TEXAS

    you got to check your gear daily. This is a firearm not a garden hoe.

  • bikerbry

    Another accidental GLOCK discharge… Hmm imagine that. I get into arguments all the time about these firearms and their lack of a mechanical safety. Would NEVER own a Glock. Accident waiting to happen. I’ll let the Cowboy wanna be’s and gangbangers shoothemselves with this weapon.

    • Veedubklown

      @bikerbry because all the cowboy wanna-be’s carry polymer semi-autos, just like the lone ranger, right?  Let’s not turn this into a glock-bash, this could have happened with a revolver, too.

    • bowitt31

      @Veedubklown  Could have happened with a revolver? Give me one instance that you know of! I can give you several with the Glock and it involves the simple act of holstering the weapon with an AD and injuy!

    • jasonjrf

      bowitt31 I don’t even like glocks I have a 1911 and a 686 revolver.  But you are being an idiot when saying it doesn’t happen with a revolver.  There are way way more people who own and carry glocks then revolvers this is why you hear about more ND with them not cause it’s less likely to happen with a revolver but because the amount of people who carry a Glock for EDC is probably the highest number of any gun.  Second the only safety you need is the one between your ears.  This guy’s safety malfuntioned in that case.  Get off your high horse.  Again I don’t really like glocks but don’t be a tard.  Glock operates the same as a revolver.  You have to pull the trigger and it goes bang, no other safety’s in that respect so saying because you don’t hear about ND with revolvers is just idiotic.  AGAIN it’s because of the amount of people that carry a glock that you hear about more of them.

  • b1naryman

    @JWC The only preventable variable I see here is “belly roll”. Apples to apples, two face off in a death match. One is in shape, the other is not. Hmm…who will win? Maybe losing some weight and getting in better cardiovascular shape would let you not shoot yourself with your own gun. My .02

  • panch0villa

    @Bos027 Every police officer I have ever worked with across any agency carries with one in the pipe.

  • panch0villa

    All the GLOCK no safety hating.  May I mention that my SIG P220 does not have anything in the way of a safety?

    It’s my daily carry.  It is my experience that a mechanical safety simply makes people complacent.

  • Bos027

    I have an older/ first gen S&W M&P .40, full LEO edition and it also has no safeties. Been carrying it since around 2005ish and never had a discharge that wasn’t meant to happen unless I wanted it too and the trigger is the main safety, magazine is second… That’s it, nothing else.

  • Macaroon22

    Another argument against the “my finger is the safety” argument as if nothing in the universe can possibly push that trigger.

    • JaggerHuff

      Macaroon22 Well, I will say a safety is a lot better idea than an empty chamber…Although, good gear should negate the need for a safety in all conceivable circumstances. A holster that completely covers the trigger guard is a first step.

  • This has nothing to do with the safety on the firearm.
    It does have everything to do with lack of a quality holster..

    • bowitt31

      Personal Dynamics LLC  Nothing could be safer than a trigger safety! Tell that to the people with holes in their leg when holstering a Glock!

    • Zenas

      bowitt31 Personal Dynamics LLC  You clearly have no idea what a trigger safety is for. It is not designed in the slightest to prevent this. It is to ensure the gun does not fire unless the trigger is pulled to the rear and to prevent spring tension from pulling on the trigger during firing. If something goes wrong internally the gun could go full auto but the trigger safety prevents this. If you rely on a trigger safety to prevent a negligent discharge then the problem isn’t with the gun but with you. Glocks are guns for people who know what they’re doing and focus on safety at all times. Negligent discharges happen with them because people get lazy with safety. Period. This case is a good instance because that guy let his holster deteriorate beyond serviceable use and this is what happens.

    • Zenas bowitt31 Personal Dynamics LLC 
      “Glocks are guns for people who know what they’re doing and focus on safety at all times.”
      There’s a lot of people who don’t know what they are doing and/or get lazy.
      Glocks are supremely reliable but like all guns, have pros and cons. Many criticize guns with external safeties as risky because they require an extra step (something that can be addressed with extra training) then defend Glocks for eliminating that step but ignore the increased chance of an ND (again an issue that can be addressed with extra training).

  • Some of the comments in this thread are mindboggling. Some of you need to take a safety course. Some of you need to take a defensive handgun course. This was an equipment failure – the HOLSTER, not the GUN. The gun did as it was designed to do. The gun owner failed to inspect/replace his worn holster and that caused the discharge. Worn equipment, and owner negligence. The Glock has 3 mechanical safeties that all disengage when you pull the trigger. Its not much different than a revolver in that aspect.
    and carrying without a round in the chamber? Good luck with that one. If you don’t feel safe carrying with a round in the chamber, then carrying a gun is not for you. You are at greater risk without a round in the chamber, than with one.

    • bowitt31

      Proactive Shooters LLC   Have you ever heard of this type of AD with a revolver? I haven’t but I have heard and know of several AD’s with the Glock when holstering the weapon!

  • SFCRetired

    Quality holster is an especial necessity with Glock-type firearms.  My own preference, and note that I said “preference”, is both a quality holster and a firearm with a separate manual safety (1911-type).

  • CodyFawcett

    All the more reason for Hybrid holster OR Full kydex style holster with COMPLETE Trigger and trigger guard coverage.

  • SilverWolf2

    First hand knowledge of same situation.  That rig is not for duty use.  lots of problems.  blaming the rig for the ND is not the problem, much as blaming the SERPA for the NDs.  Same thing happened with a “custom” Kydex rig of same design.  full slide/muzzle coverage is required to prevent this type ND.  A full lined full grain leather Yaquie Slide of the Cooper design is very safe, but lacks a retention break. A simple thumb break with a full grain leather lined rig stops this problem.

  • bowitt31

    With a trigger safety and AD is practically ensured. Just the act of holstering a Glock has caused AD’s and injuries! With a Glock and trigger safety the propensity for an AD is ever present and sooner or later it will happen. I cannot think of anything more ludicrous than a trigger safety. Blaming the holster is idiotic!

  • bowitt31

    @Dave  You don’t run someone over and then blame the car! A trigger safety is not safe! Don’t blame the gear!

  • MichaelToombsShort

    I would contact the manufacturer of the possible issue that its their fault. For they shouldve made that section of leather wider so that it covered the entire trigger guard and that maybe they should change their design so the leather comes up more towards the hand grip to avoid future incidents or lawsuits from happening.  There is no reason why the leather wasn’t cut a bit wider to where it would meet the grip.

    • RichardGray1

      MichaelToombsShort Or maybe the user should have chosen a holster that actually fit his gun.  When I pick up a pair of pants that are my size (30 x 30) and they are too snug, I don’t blame it on the manufacturer.  I just get a pair that isn’t too snug and move on with my life.

  • JacobWinegardner

    Glock… Enough said.  How many accidental discharges are going to occur until they begin installing a grip safety?… It would solve most if not all of these accidents.

    • Mike

      JacobWinegardner how would a grip safety have prevented this? With a proper grip the grip safety would have been disengaged.

    • Sal

      He wasn’t holding the gun, Mike… Did you read the story?

  • Toad ya Sew

    Its the darn trigger.  If they would simply stop making guns with triggers!  NO MORE TRIGGERS !

  • GrandpaBear

    There are two problems and the first is a design flaw. No holster should become dangerous Fter a year in use. Obviously there is a lack of testing by the manufacture.
    The second problem is the use of a known, unsafe holster that should have been sent back to manufacturer as DEFECTIVE!

  • wrong holster… you can stick your gun into any holster, but you should have had a better fit. the pistol needed a deeper seat to cover the trigger wells better. you should look into a form fitting kydex, where the pistol locks into a perfect seating. you can get different levels of protection.

  • jasonjrf

    To everyone saying a gun is useless if you don’t have one in the chamber that is false I believe.  There are benifits to cocked and locked or empty chamber.  If you train to rack when you draw and have the muscle memory for it, it is just fine IMO.  Most people don’t train.  You have to train.  Also for a citizen carry where you will most likely never use your gun your whole life I think empty is ok.

    • Mike36

      @jasonjrf Wrong. I saw a video going around of people that were approached by people with guns. None of them had a round in the chamber. They didn’t have time to pull back on the slide. So yeah, a gun is pointless without one in the chamber. In the blink of an eye you can have someone coming up to you with a gun. That bullet in the chamber will definitely be the difference between life and death.

  • Leo Ferguson

    This is why I carry a kydex holster. No soft leather here

  • Victor Andrew Mathis

    Kydex has it’s own problems, and needs to be checked for serviceability as well. Stress fractures in clip-mounting points, loose retention screws, and buildup of gunk are things you should check for everyday before you strap that sucker inside your pants!

  • Matthew Sadecki

    That’s not Accidental, that’s Negligent. Never get complacent. Especially about your gear and ESPECIALLY your holster. Whether its kydex or leather, always check your gear.

  • Mikal Grant

    Really? No one is going to say it? Well fine, I will.
    THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID!!! Bawwwwwhahahahahahaha

  • Joseph Gonzalez

    Hahah my home made leather holster hangs up in my trigger all the time like that but I’ve never had a nd. Thank god. I need a new one

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  • Bee Throwaway

    +1, this is a negligent discharge for sure. Here’s an example of a true accidental discharge.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBX7mEBVOao

  • Phillip Rusty Boisselle

    I would highly suggest any kydex option. Pick one every ones talking about and decide which one works best for you. I personally have a G-Code Holsters, but you can expect top quality from Green Force Tactical LLC, Blade-Tech Industries, NSR Tactical Custom Kydex Holsters ect.

  • Phillip Rusty Boisselle

    Your absolutely right, I tout kydex in my previous comment, but you do have to lock tight stuff when it shows up in the mail.

  • Roger Eidgenosse

    amazing that still people use holsters made from a dead animal skin that will sooner or later rot and cause trouble.

  • Brian Smith

    #commonsenseaintsocommon

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  • Matthew Sadecki

    Much agreed!

  • Ashley Green Myers

    I work at Green Force Tactical, and we set the retention screw at medium, but locktite the hell out of all the other screws prior to QC checks.

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  • Peter H Pottinger

    Keep your safety on and practice your draw

    • anec

      on a glock?

    • Pwnchubr

      Safety?

  • Leandro Weinreich

    Blackhawk or alien gear all the way

  • Matthew Hill

    There is never accidental discharge it is always negligent discharge

    • josephcrawford

      That is not true, in this case I would consider it to be negligent due to the fact of a faulty holster.  However there are accidental discharges due to mechanical failure in some weapons.  For instance I have seen 12 gauge pump shotguns fire the round as soon as you pumped it to chamber the round.  Nothing was near the trigger.  That would be an accidental discharge.
      Here is just one example of accidental discharge, nothing he did was negligent.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBX7mEBVOao

  • Brad Landes

    Don’t really care for leather myself but good to know.

  • Brad Landes

    Love my black hawk one of my favorites for sure.

  • Brandilee Opal Schwark

    Lets hope that holster wasnt in his front wasteband…. ouchies!!

  • Randy Allen

    Looks like more of a reholstering issue, and that’s a glock.

  • Randy Allen

    Looks like more of a reholstering issue, and that’s a glock.

  • Matt Vieira

    Theres pictures if you read the article

  • Brandilee Opal Schwark

    Ooooh. Im on it

  • @Terry Kowalik 
    It would be nice to see a study of accidental discharges broken down by type of pistol.  That said, an awful lot of ND’s are happening with Glocks.  Might not be noticeable in a gun unfriendly country like Australia.
    If you don’t understand why locked and cocked is prudent you aren’t very familiar with incidents requiring the use of a firearm.  Not surprising considering Australia where guns are basically outlawed and there is little case study of these types of criminal incidents.  Our FBI says something like 90% of shooting incidents happen within 3 feet, 3 seconds and 3 shots, not a lot of time to rack a slide.

    BTW, I was brought up in a NYC ghetto.  No one lived there had a choice.  Easy to forget that when you don’t ever have to live in poor circumstances… 😛

  • Guest

    This is why I use a trigger plug on my glock

  • Zipakna

    1
    that holster (Galco K919T) was not made for a glock. 2 that is a Very
    Old Galco holster. newer models have a hard leather rim sewn in to
    prevent exactly this.

  • SirATooley

    Good thing you weren’t appendix carrying  LOL

  • Mikial

    With a good, solid holster like my Crossbreed with a ridged fitted holster component, I never have any fear when carrying my G21 locked and loaded. Yes, i am very careful when holstering the gun, but haven’t had an issue yet.

  • SirATooley

    Mikial, The G21 is a great choice firearm.  I have the G20 also. Gen 3, SF models.

  • Mikial

    @SirATooley (great nickname!)

    Thanks. I agree. I’ve had my 21 for a long time, and other than a 4 pound trigger so I could use it in USPSA matches to practice before going to Iraq for over 2 years to do Personal Security Details, it is still original. It has never failed me and I trust it with my life. i carried a G17 for a while in Iraq and it was just as comforting to have on my hip because, even though I prefer a .45, I knew that when I pulled the trigger it would reliably put the round where I wanted it to.

  • coyotehunter

    Just another reason for “safety’s” on weapons…unless your trained operator the “normal” ccw person just doesn’t need a weapon that has no external safety…sure it may take a second longer..but at least you won’t blow a hole through your butt or worse, but i agree, moulded holsters are the best, sometimes uncomfortable but…..

    • Mikial

      coyotehunter

      My suggestion to anyone who carries . . .  spend $35 to $80, buy a well made holster with solid protection for your trigger, take some training classes, and carry a gun you can deploy quickly. One second is a looooong time in a gunfight.

      By the time someone has drawn and flicked their safety off, i have already fired at least two rounds of 230 gr HTP hollow points with my Glock.

    • coyotehunter

      Mikial coyotehunter If you’ve practiced enuf the safety comes off without a second thought….You play with your clock, and i’ll stick with my 1911…

    • Mikial

      coyotehunter

      Sounds good, Brother. I love my 1911, I just happen to be a better shot with my Glock. Either way, the idea is for the good guys to win, so i wish you the best always.

  • trumanj

    this i
    s great information for ALL of us and specifically the CCW Holder.  I carry the Glock and would not consider any other weapon.  Having said that it is not for everyone and people need to choose wisely.  I saw another incident similar to this when the draw string inside a gentleman’s jacket did the same thing, discharged his Glock.  If having an external safety makes you feel more comfortable then consider that weapon otherwise train & be safe.

  • doccas2003

    Lesson learned? Don’t carry a Glock! The only time my partner was injured in line of duty was when he shot himself in the leg while holstering his Glock.

    • Mikial

      doccas2003 So now we’re blaming the gun for human error? Sorry, but that sounds sort of like the Libs saying all shootings will stop if they can just get those pesky “assault weapons” out of people’s hands because it’s the gun that’s to blame, not the shooter.

      You can not vilify a gun because of operator error. I’ve carried a Glock for 15 years and haven’t had a mishap yet. I also worked as a DoD security contractor in Iraq and did escort missions out on the very dangerous roads several times a week with a lot of other stressed and tired guys, all of whom were carrying Glocks and none of whom accidentally shot themselves or anyone else.

      The article put the responsibility squarely where it belonged; the owner wasn’t paying attention when he holstered, and he knowingly continued to use a holster that was no longer in optimum condition for safety. People spend hundreds of dollars on their gun and practice ammo, even training classes, and then cheap out on their holster. Drop $60 and buy a good Crossbreed holster and this will not happen. But, don’t get complacent because there is always something that can go wrong.

    • doccas2003

      Mikial doccas2003 Positive safety = wouldn’t have happened.

    • Mikial

      doccas2003 Mikial

      No guarantee of that. I’ve seen people have NDs with guns that had external safeties. It’s all up to the operator. 

      But, I do get your point, and agree that if someone does not have the experience, training or just simple common sense to carry a gun like a Glock or XD, then I would have to agree with you. They should be carrying a gun with an external safety, or better yet, a de-cocker.

    • Anon

      Glock Leg. It’s a real phenomenon.

  • RJCC

    “Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!”  

    This is NOT true, it should say NEGLIGENT OWNERS cause Accidental Discharges!!

  • RJCC

    “Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!”  

    This is NOT true, it should say NEGLIGENT OWNERS cause Accidental Discharges!!

    He even admitted that he knew the holster was defective!! 

    But it is still a good warning to get a properly fitting holster that fully covers the trigger.  And there are leather holsters that have a metal reinforced opening, which helps to prevent this situation.

    Thanks for the heads up!

  • Popo

    Like any piece of equipment if you see wear it’s time to replace it. Items like holsters aren’t made to last forever, like it or not. If your belt stretches out and your pants keep falling down you would get a new one right?

  • JimThibault

    Like any GLock, has no safety. I only carry guns with external safeties on it. Easier to flip a safety than shoot yourself in the leg or worse.

  • Boney Shoulders

    I make custom leather holsters that fit to the exact shape of the pistol it is made for. The holster pictured is a good example of a bad design. There are tons of makers on the internet that will custom make and even personalize your holster. Take advantage, some of these are works of art and not much more money than this piece of junk. Good luck and be safe.

    • flnatv

      Boney Shoulders I have a Jak holster for 3 of my carry weapons. My EDC is a Glock 27 and has been on my hip for over 6 years. Am I a Glock fan? No but as one poster stated, I’m deadly accurate with it and it never fails. That said, after reading this article I tried to duplicate this situation by intentionally pushing the leather of my 6 year old Jak holster into the trigger area from both sides with no luck in compromising my or others safety. Just because you build custom holsters I don’t think calling Galco Jak holsters junk is warranted and believe his experience to be the exception rather than the norm.

  • bill matteson

    GTK…But I am not familiar with glocks or how they work…..was this gun  cocked and locked?  is it a SA stricker fire?
    My pocket piece is  Ruger LCP DA Stricker fire…..which I consider as safe as a revolver to carry…..
    any feed back on this

    • RJCC

      bill matteson They are striker, SA, but that does not mean like 1911.  They have aprox. 5 pound trigger pull, which is adjustable.  They do not have an external safety, but they have what the call the “safe action” trigger and the safety is part of the trigger. They say, “. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself, must be deliberately depressed at the same time. ”

      But not sure how that qualifies as a safety, when it is part of pulling the trigger.  I always thought a safety meant it would prevent the trigger from being able to fire the weapon, even if the trigger was pulled.  With Glock if you pull the trigger is disengages the safety.  Go figure.  So basically, no safety.  Their link is included below.

      https://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action

    • bill matteson

      RJCC bill matteson Thank you
      Bill

    • Mikial

      bill matteson Glocks are technically considered a DA pistol since, mechanically, it is not cocked until the trigger is depressed all the way. The act of pulling the trigger completes the cocking action inside the pistol, and then releases the striker to fire the round. This is one of what Glock considers the internal safety. The trigger cannot be depressed unless the safety lever on the trigger is depressed with it. In other words, you can rack the slide on a Glock, and then if you put your finger against the edge of the trigger without touching the safety lever, it will not depress and fire the gun. BTW, my G21 has had work done on it to give it a 4 pound trigger.

      Is this a conventional safety? Not really. It is a safety mechanism intended to prevent the gun from firing if dropped or when sitting in a holster. It is not as safe from an accidental discharge as a gun with an external safety, or better yet, a decocker. So, you have to keep your wits about you in terms of care when holstering or even drawing. Most ADs I’ve seen with Glocks occur during the holstering process when some allows something to get into the trigger guard and depress the trigger. This is why I only carry my Glock at level 3/Red in a composite holster with a stiff hostler that covers the trigger guard. 

      If a person is not comfortable with this or experienced enough to manage it, they definitely should not be carrying a Glock, M&P or even an XD (although the added grip safety on the XD is another layer of safety).

      Guns like a KelTec PF9 and I believe your LCP (I’ve never even held one so I could be wrong), don’t have external safeties either but they are DA with very stiff triggers so it is very difficult for one to go off in your pocket, although it can happen if someone carried other items in their packet with a gun that was not in a good pocket holster.

      A lot of the arguments between pro-Glock and anti-Glock shooters centers around the extra motion of releasing a safety before being able to fire in a self defense situation. While I do think there may be a very small advantage in speed with a gun like a Glock, the real reason I carry one is because I am extremely accurate with mine because it fits me perfectly, and it is utterly reliable.

    • bill matteson

      Mikial bill matteson thank you very much your explanation is very informative
      I carry my LP in a “Pistol sheath” in the pocket the trigger is covered at all times
      Bill

    • Mikial

      bill matteson Mikial My pleasure, Sir. And thank you for your kind words.
      My BUG is a PF9 in a pocket holster, so I agree with you completely on the safety factor. I would never carry a Glock in my pocket, even in a pocket holster.

  • coyotehunter

    Some like blondes, some like brunettes, and some like the wired hot redheads…Me, I prefer a manual safety on my redhead.  Been carry guns of one sort or another since 1956, including a tour in RVN, they all have one thing in common, they all had a mechanical safety, this notion that you’ll forget to take it off in a stress situation, it takes time? huh!, never understood that one, If you practice with your weapon of choice it becomes as natural as drawing it….You sure as heck don’t walk around in the woods deer or elk hunting with your safety off, why in hell would i do that around people?

  • Why I love plastic Molded not Kydex holsters IWB and OWB  retention is the key when walking or jumping etc. if the Holster does not cover the Trigger guard then don’t buy it.Any Snubby Revolver that does not have a Transfer bar safety do not carry it the new revolvers today have this only a fullt reward cocked revolver will fire.Now an Inertia Smack on the hammer can set it off   A  One in 1  million chance of it happening or buy a OWB Leather holster,with a thumb break Strap, which reduces your chance of Winning a gunfight.

    Check out Google search  Or on Amazon..Mitch Rosen for Glock Holsters and  Retention Belts too..Most use a Plastic shell Holster design for CCW. I do, check out Alien holster.com.a lifetime shell swap for shipping and handling and replacement too.

    • bichplz

      @I LoveLiberty Learn how to spell and punctuate, idiot. You make gun owners look like assholes. Actually, most of them are.

  • Malakie

    Not just the holster is an issue as far as I am concerned..  had the weapon had a thumb safety, this also would not have occurred.

    • Studebaker_Hawk

      @Malakie

    • StanRobertson

      Studebaker_Hawk ONLY if a person has been trained in that discipline

    • JeremiahPuckett

      Studebaker_Hawk  Israelis have a different problem than we do.  Their bad guys are cowardly Muslims who put bombs in their coffee pots.  When they blow up it doesn’t matter if they are chambered or not.  Our bad guys point a gun right at our face while we are at a red light, and rip us from our vehicles so they can steal our car with our babies in the backseat.

  • CrackMonkeys4Hire

    The problem was he didn’t seat the gun fully into the holster. Yes a leather holster can get soft. I have a leather holster that is more than 2 years old but because I fully seat the gun into the holster it can never discharge like this. Funny but Glocks have the highest rate of accidental discharges for any handgun. Again Operator error here. If the holster was too loose to hold the gun tight he should have NEVER used it.

    • Mikial

      CrackMonkeys4Hire

      Exactly. Proper gun handling is a critical skill for anyone who carries. 

      Glocks do have the highest rate of accidental discharges (although LA Country Police are having a large increase since switching to M&Ps) because they require  a very high level of skill and competency to handle them safely. Skill and competency far too many people carrying them do not have, including some LEOs. There are plenty of nice guns out there that are a lot more idiot proof, as the saying goes..

  • Mikial

    Hey, ya’ know, each to his own. If you feel like you have the level of training and skill the Israelis do, and you can draw and rack and get a shot off quicker than a bad guy who already has his gun pointing at you or your wife or child, then by all means go with that style of carry. I’ve spent time in Israel, and I know they are very competent so if you are at that level, then my hat is off to you. Personally, I would rather not have to try to rack my gun under the duress of having a gun pointed at me, but that’s just me.

    • Studebaker_Hawk

      Mikial I’m good with it. I don’t want to be the guy in the photo at the top of the article, and I don’t ever want something like a Veronica Rutledge on my conscience.

    • Mikial

      Studebaker_Hawk Mikial

      Agree completely, Sir. That was another tragic example of improper carry that has left a child without a mother and who will no doubt carry that knowledge and memory of what happened to his grave.

  • gkgreen3

    i’m a weapon collector and  have 2 glocks . the model 19 is 1 of the best 9mm’s ever . i also have several other striker fire weapons , one of them being the ppq m1 9mm that has one of the best factory triggers i’ve ever shot . i live in MS. where we have the gunslinger law so l have weapons in my auto’s . home and on me . im in construction and always doing work around the house or on my land . im not comfortable carrying glocks but l like polymer . so H&K’s is what i carry . my daily ccw is usp45c and sometimes the hk45ct . BUGs are colt xsp , sig p238 or sw 642 . i like 1911 style and i find the safety on hk’s work for me . next  purchase is gonna be sw chief special and retire the 642 l prefer sa/da . YMMV !

  • Greggg

    I’ve used a Don Hume molded inside the waistband holster for more than eight years and it still hasn’t softened; and it is designed to cover the trigger guard.

  • michaelboland

    Just do away with the leather holster and go with an http://aliengearholsters.com/alien-gear-cloak-tuck-3-0-iwb-holster-inside-the-waistband.html or their competition. In warm clients leather has a tendency to soften up due to sweat and humidity. A polymer shell with a neoprene backing eliminates but problem in the last used to carry safely while staying concealed.

    • doccas2003

      michaelboland I have owned just about every type of holster from just about every manufacturer. About a year ago I bought an Alien Gear IWB holster for my Walther. It was so comfortable I bought another one for my 1911 and yet another one from my SIG. And all three of them cost less, together, than just one of the many other holsters I bought and discarded over the years. AlienGear.com is one of the best things I have ever found on the internet. I highly recommend them. 🙂

    • JustinCoffey

      doccas2003 michaelboland Agreed.  I own 3 AlienGear holsters and a shell for each one of my pistols.

  • Joe

    This is something that could have been prevented by a grip safty, or just buying a better holster that covers the trigger gaurd.

  • StevenKimber

    He got glocked.

  • Greg

    yeah, thanks for sharing.

  • TexasRaider

    A traditional DA/SA wouldn’t have done that. Another reason I don’t care for plastic, striker fired silliness…

  • stnecol

    Well the gun did exactly what it was supposed to do. Unfortunately they don’t come with functioning brains and darwin trackers. It would require a bit of common sense to know not to use a holster that is so worn that a quarter of the trigger is exposed. Moron. I feel bad for the gun… getting bad press because some ditz was too stupid to not know what a worn holster is. Common sense.

  • Gunny315

    Why did he have a round in the chamber with no safety on. It was bound to happen sooner or later with any type of holster.

  • JeremiahPuckett

    That’s exactly why I have two HK P30S v3.  Hammer fired!  Decocker!  External thumb safety!

    • Ben Hobson

      Also know as dead if you need your weapon in any hurry.

  • disqus_S5pN5187fx

    Reading all the comments on here is why gun owners sound like a**s. Everybody is an expert….

  • Scotty J.

    When it comes to deadly weapons, all things are important. The contributor carries a reliable “SAFE” weapon. I know for a fact that you can drop a glock all day long and it won’t fire. This is safety feature designed into the weapon. However, the issue here was holster wear. ALL conditions of carrying a lethal weapon are equally important. Fortunately this individual learned a valuable lesson without serious injury.

    All aspects of carrying are to be considered at the highest level. Including the leather, vinyl etc.. that we carry it in. I sometimes carry at 1911 in condition 1, but the strap of my holster blocks the hammer to add additional safety while holstered.

  • Daniel Małysz

    Just use new leather holsters and all will be fine. Carry one in the chamber.

  • Anon

    Looks like a case of Glock leg.

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