SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!

by March 21, 2011 03/21/11
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Editor-in-chief’s note: We’d like to thank the anonymous individual who came forward with this important information and allowed us to get it out to everyone here at ITS Tactical.

“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite cafe and got into the car.

Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.

The bullet nicked my hip, but the wound is nothing a bandage couldn’t cover. So what went wrong? Guns never go “Bang” all by themselves.

After ensuring I wasn’t hemorrhaging profusely and didn’t have to make a dash for the hospital, I stayed seated in the car as my wife came around to my door and opened it. I undid my belt and slid the Galco JAK202 Slide Belt Holster, with the gun still in it, off my belt. Why it went off was immediately apparent.

Accidental Discharge

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does after lots of use; It got soft. This particular holster carries the pistol outside the waistband, but inside the belt. The belt slides through slots in the outer side of the holster.

The problem stemmed from the leather on the inner side of the holster getting soft. A crease formed, which eventually was large enough to extend beyond the trigger. Manipulate the gun in just the wrong manner and this crease is no different than a finger on the trigger. Boom!

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected. On this day, did I forget to do that when I holstered up? Did the leather finally get so soft that a combination of body movements and interference by the cushy leather seat move the Glock enough to create a situation where the trigger was engaged by the holster?

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but I’ll humbly admit to the former as the likely culprit. However, if it was the latter, then those of you who use this type of holster need to be aware of its limitations and the possibility of experiencing what I did.

It might have been a very different story had the incident happened while we were dining. That bullet ricocheting off the concrete floor could have done untold damage and just as easily killed somebody. Fortunately nobody got hurt and damage to the car was minimal. It will be an interesting conversation with the insurance company to see if they’ll cover the repairs.

Lessons Learned

Leather Holster Accidental Discharge

Holstering your gun can be just as important as drawing it. Make sure you pay attention when doing so. If your leather is getting soft and worn, be sure that it won’t interfere with your trigger or just replace it.

The back of the slide and/or grip was being pushed downward into the leather holster…or the holster was being pushed upward with some force. My guess is the firearm was being pushed and the fold in the holster acted as a finger and depressed the Glock trigger safety.

This truly brings home the importance of taking care of your equipment and ensuring it’s in proper working order. Hopefully you can learn from my situation and prevent an accident like this from happening to you.

Editor-in-chief’s note: We’d like to thank the anonymous individual who came forward with this important information and allowed us to get it out to everyone here at ITS Tactical.

Please share this with everyone you know that carries in a leather holster!

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Matt Vieira
Matt Vieira

Theres pictures if you read the article

Randy Allen
Randy Allen

Looks like more of a reholstering issue, and that's a glock.

Brad Landes
Brad Landes

Love my black hawk one of my favorites for sure.

Brad Landes
Brad Landes

Don't really care for leather myself but good to know.

Matthew Hill
Matthew Hill

There is never accidental discharge it is always negligent discharge

Ashley Green Myers
Ashley Green Myers

Thanks for plugging us! We love it when our small family business is mentioned with the big dogs!

Ashley Green Myers
Ashley Green Myers

I work at Green Force Tactical, and we set the retention screw at medium, but locktite the hell out of all the other screws prior to QC checks.

Roger Eidgenosse
Roger Eidgenosse

amazing that still people use holsters made from a dead animal skin that will sooner or later rot and cause trouble.

Phillip Rusty Boisselle
Phillip Rusty Boisselle

Your absolutely right, I tout kydex in my previous comment, but you do have to lock tight stuff when it shows up in the mail.

Phillip Rusty Boisselle
Phillip Rusty Boisselle

I would highly suggest any kydex option. Pick one every ones talking about and decide which one works best for you. I personally have a G-Code Holsters, but you can expect top quality from Green Force Tactical LLC, Blade-Tech Industries, NSR Tactical Custom Kydex Holsters ect.

Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

Hahah my home made leather holster hangs up in my trigger all the time like that but I've never had a nd. Thank god. I need a new one

Mikal Grant
Mikal Grant

Really? No one is going to say it? Well fine, I will. THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!! Bawwwwwhahahahahahaha

Matthew Sadecki
Matthew Sadecki

That's not Accidental, that's Negligent. Never get complacent. Especially about your gear and ESPECIALLY your holster. Whether its kydex or leather, always check your gear.

Victor Andrew Mathis
Victor Andrew Mathis

Kydex has it's own problems, and needs to be checked for serviceability as well. Stress fractures in clip-mounting points, loose retention screws, and buildup of gunk are things you should check for everyday before you strap that sucker inside your pants!

Leo Ferguson
Leo Ferguson

This is why I carry a kydex holster. No soft leather here

jasonjrf
jasonjrf

To everyone saying a gun is useless if you don't have one in the chamber that is false I believe.  There are benifits to cocked and locked or empty chamber.  If you train to rack when you draw and have the muscle memory for it, it is just fine IMO.  Most people don't train.  You have to train.  Also for a citizen carry where you will most likely never use your gun your whole life I think empty is ok.  

Mike36
Mike36

@jasonjrf Wrong. I saw a video going around of people that were approached by people with guns. None of them had a round in the chamber. They didn't have time to pull back on the slide. So yeah, a gun is pointless without one in the chamber. In the blink of an eye you can have someone coming up to you with a gun. That bullet in the chamber will definitely be the difference between life and death. 

tasmanian
tasmanian

wrong holster... you can stick your gun into any holster, but you should have had a better fit. the pistol needed a deeper seat to cover the trigger wells better. you should look into a form fitting kydex, where the pistol locks into a perfect seating. you can get different levels of protection.

GrandpaBear
GrandpaBear

There are two problems and the first is a design flaw. No holster should become dangerous Fter a year in use. Obviously there is a lack of testing by the manufacture.

The second problem is the use of a known, unsafe holster that should have been sent back to manufacturer as DEFECTIVE!

Toad ya Sew
Toad ya Sew

Its the darn trigger.  If they would simply stop making guns with triggers!  NO MORE TRIGGERS !

JacobWinegardner
JacobWinegardner

Glock... Enough said.  How many accidental discharges are going to occur until they begin installing a grip safety?... It would solve most if not all of these accidents.  

Mike
Mike

@JacobWinegardner how would a grip safety have prevented this? With a proper grip the grip safety would have been disengaged.

Sal
Sal

He wasn't holding the gun, Mike... Did you read the story?

MichaelToombsShort
MichaelToombsShort

I would contact the manufacturer of the possible issue that its their fault. For they shouldve made that section of leather wider so that it covered the entire trigger guard and that maybe they should change their design so the leather comes up more towards the hand grip to avoid future incidents or lawsuits from happening.  There is no reason why the leather wasn't cut a bit wider to where it would meet the grip.
 That way there is no chance of the soft leather getting caught inside the trigger guard or on the trigger to cause such an accidental discharge.

RichardGray1
RichardGray1

@MichaelToombsShort Or maybe the user should have chosen a holster that actually fit his gun.  When I pick up a pair of pants that are my size (30 x 30) and they are too snug, I don't blame it on the manufacturer.  I just get a pair that isn't too snug and move on with my life.

bowitt31
bowitt31

With a trigger safety and AD is practically ensured. Just the act of holstering a Glock has caused AD's and injuries! With a Glock and trigger safety the propensity for an AD is ever present and sooner or later it will happen. I cannot think of anything more ludicrous than a trigger safety. Blaming the holster is idiotic!

SilverWolf2
SilverWolf2

First hand knowledge of same situation.  That rig is not for duty use.  lots of problems.  blaming the rig for the ND is not the problem, much as blaming the SERPA for the NDs.  Same thing happened with a "custom" Kydex rig of same design.  full slide/muzzle coverage is required to prevent this type ND.  A full lined full grain leather Yaquie Slide of the Cooper design is very safe, but lacks a retention break. A simple thumb break with a full grain leather lined rig stops this problem.

CodyFawcett
CodyFawcett

All the more reason for Hybrid holster OR Full kydex style holster with COMPLETE Trigger and trigger guard coverage.

SFCRetired
SFCRetired

Quality holster is an especial necessity with Glock-type firearms.  My own preference, and note that I said "preference", is both a quality holster and a firearm with a separate manual safety (1911-type).

Proactive Shooters LLC
Proactive Shooters LLC

Some of the comments in this thread are mindboggling. Some folks here need to take a safety course. Some of you need to take a defensive handgun course. This was an equipment failure - the HOLSTER, not the GUN. The gun did as it was designed to do. The gun owner failed to inspect/replace his worn holster and that caused the discharge. Worn equipment, and owner negligence. The Glock has 3 mechanical safeties that all disengage when you pull the trigger. Its not much different than a revolver in that aspect.


and carrying without a round in the chamber? Good luck with that one. If you don't feel safe carrying with a round in the chamber, then carrying a gun is not for you. You are at greater risk without a round in the chamber, than with one.

bowitt31
bowitt31

@Proactive Shooters LLC   Have you ever heard of this type of AD with a revolver? I haven't but I have heard and know of several AD's with the Glock when holstering the weapon!

Personal Dynamics LLC
Personal Dynamics LLC

This has nothing to do with the safety on the firearm.

It does have everything to do with lack of a quality holster..

bowitt31
bowitt31

@Personal Dynamics LLC  Nothing could be safer than a trigger safety! Tell that to the people with holes in their leg when holstering a Glock!

Zenas
Zenas

@bowitt31 @Personal Dynamics LLC  You clearly have no idea what a trigger safety is for. It is not designed in the slightest to prevent this. It is to ensure the gun does not fire unless the trigger is pulled to the rear and to prevent spring tension from pulling on the trigger during firing. If something goes wrong internally the gun could go full auto but the trigger safety prevents this. If you rely on a trigger safety to prevent a negligent discharge then the problem isn't with the gun but with you. Glocks are guns for people who know what they're doing and focus on safety at all times. Negligent discharges happen with them because people get lazy with safety. Period. This case is a good instance because that guy let his holster deteriorate beyond serviceable use and this is what happens.

majrod
majrod

@Zenas @bowitt31 @Personal Dynamics LLC 

"Glocks are guns for people who know what they're doing and focus on safety at all times."

There's a lot of people who don't know what they are doing and/or get lazy.

Glocks are supremely reliable but like all guns, have pros and cons. Many criticize guns with external safeties as risky because they require an extra step (something that can be addressed with extra training) then defend Glocks for eliminating that step but ignore the increased chance of an ND (again an issue that can be addressed with extra training).

Macaroon22
Macaroon22

Another argument against the "my finger is the safety" argument as if nothing in the universe can possibly push that trigger.

JaggerHuff
JaggerHuff

@Macaroon22 Well, I will say a safety is a lot better idea than an empty chamber...Although, good gear should negate the need for a safety in all conceivable circumstances. A holster that completely covers the trigger guard is a first step.

Bos027
Bos027

I have an older/ first gen S&W M&P .40, full LEO edition and it also has no safeties. Been carrying it since around 2005ish and never had a discharge that wasn't meant to happen unless I wanted it too and the trigger is the main safety, magazine is second... That's it, nothing else.

panch0villa
panch0villa

All the GLOCK no safety hating.  May I mention that my SIG P220 does not have anything in the way of a safety?


It's my daily carry.  It is my experience that a mechanical safety simply makes people complacent.

bikerbry
bikerbry

Another accidental GLOCK discharge... Hmm imagine that. I get into arguments all the time about these firearms and their lack of a mechanical safety. Would NEVER own a Glock. Accident waiting to happen. I'll let the Cowboy wanna be's and gangbangers shoothemselves with this weapon.

Veedubklown
Veedubklown

@bikerbry because all the cowboy wanna-be's carry polymer semi-autos, just like the lone ranger, right?  Let's not turn this into a glock-bash, this could have happened with a revolver, too.

jasonjrf
jasonjrf

@bowitt31 I don't even like glocks I have a 1911 and a 686 revolver.  But you are being an idiot when saying it doesn't happen with a revolver.  There are way way more people who own and carry glocks then revolvers this is why you hear about more ND with them not cause it's less likely to happen with a revolver but because the amount of people who carry a Glock for EDC is probably the highest number of any gun.  Second the only safety you need is the one between your ears.  This guy's safety malfuntioned in that case.  Get off your high horse.  Again I don't really like glocks but don't be a tard.  Glock operates the same as a revolver.  You have to pull the trigger and it goes bang, no other safety's in that respect so saying because you don't hear about ND with revolvers is just idiotic.  AGAIN it's because of the amount of people that carry a glock that you hear about more of them.

bowitt31
bowitt31

@Veedubklown  Could have happened with a revolver? Give me one instance that you know of! I can give you several with the Glock and it involves the simple act of holstering the weapon with an AD and injury!

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