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#1 Superman

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:55 PM

So I bit the bullet and e-filed with the ATF for my first suppressor yesterday :cool:

 

I setup a trust and am getting a huntertown arms Kestrel 556.  My next one will be for my 9mm pistols (with hopefully a dedicated one for 22lr after that).  For those of you who have suppressors I have a quick question.  I'm confused if you must have an adjustable gas block to run suppressed?  I have a DDM4 V3 and have only made cosmetic changes to it.  Can I suppress it out of the box or do I need to make some gas block mods while I wait for approval from my mommy government?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:42 PM

Awesome! How did the process go for setting up the trust?

As far as I know, the only thing you will want to do is put a heavy buffer in it to slow the bolt due to increased gas pressures. A Spikes Tactical ST-T2 would work great.

Reading up on the specs of the DDM4V3, the barrel is 16" which means the flash suppressor shouldn't be pinned or welded. Have you tried removing it yet? Give that a try and see if it comes off. If it doesn't look and see if you can tell if there's any spots that looks like it was welded. If you can't, and I were in your shoes, I would take the paint off the flash suppressor and check it for any signs of it be permanently attached.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:49 PM

Awesome! How did the process go for setting up the trust?


Fairly straight forward.  The confusing part was the logistical steps I had to go through.  Since this was my first NFA item as well as initial trust setup, I was confused on some of the steps and what information I needed to gather before I executed the trust and when I needed to get the make/model/serial number and all that.  I think it will work great for future transactions though as I'll just be amending the trust from now on instead of setting it up at the same time.
 

As far as I know, the only thing you will want to do is put a heavy buffer in it to slow the bolt due to increased gas pressures. A Spikes Tactical ST-T2 would work great.


I think it comes with a heavy buffer already (h buffer, same thing right?).

 

EDIT: After some google-fu, apparently the DD buffer is the Spikes buffer without the Spikes brand on it.
 

Reading up on the specs of the DDM4V3, the barrel is 16" which means the flash suppressor shouldn't be pinned or welded. Have you tried removing it yet? Give that a try and see if it comes off. If it doesn't look and see if you can tell if there's any spots that looks like it was welded. If you can't, and I were in your shoes, I would take the paint off the flash suppressor and check it for any signs of it be permanently attached.

 

Yes, the flash suppressor is not pinned or welded and I can take it off easily.  That brings up another question though...There are muzzle attachments that support suppressors on top of them right?  So I don't have to take it off to put on the can?  The info I'm seeing is that they usually have to be made / supported by the suppressor manufacturer.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:35 AM

AAC, gemtech, and one or two other brands have suppressors specifically designed to mount directly onto the a2 birdcage. I think the notch in the dd birdcage is there to help index a suppressor, actually.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:18 AM

I think it comes with a heavy buffer already (h buffer, same thing right?).

 

I have not double checked my data in a while but the H buffer is the lightest of the heavy buffers.

But there is a difference in weight between a Rifle Buffer and a Carbine Buffer.

 

The heavy carbine buffers replace the steel weights with tungsten weights.
There are just approximations but below are the weights.

H (or H1) is 3.8oz

H2 is 4.6oz

H3 is 5.4oz


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

For my first post hopefully I can add some value to those getting into suppressors.

 

I see the OP intends to get a suppressor for a 9mm next. You may want to consider going for a .45 can and some conversion pistons instead of smaller caliber specific models.

 

I have an AAC Ti-Rant .45 which I also use on .40 and 9mm.

 

The same applies for rifle cans. I can use an AAC 762 SDN-6 on 7.62/.308, 300 blk, 6.8, 6.5 and 5.56.

 

Cans can get pretty pricey so why not try to cover as much as possible.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:04 AM

I just saw a review of a multi-caliber can on YouTube (by TwangAndBang) and I found it interesting.  What are some of the limitations of going to a larger can and using a smaller caliber rifle with it?  Let's say I go with your AAC 762 SDN-6... Is the only drawback to using a smaller caliber is I lose some of the effectiveness of the sound suppression?


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 04:00 PM

The primary limitations to most will be the initial cost, size and weight. Larger caliber suppressors are usually more expensive, larger and heavier though the weight, size and sound reduction disadvantages when compared to/used on a smaller caliber models are minimal at best. (Some get hung up on a several db reduction loss though outside of subsonic rounds most wont notice any difference.)

 

Of course all of these are offset by the versatility and cost of any additional suppressors and the $200 tax per.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 01:17 PM

Found this very useful PSA video =)

 

 

www.youtube.com/embed/nDaSGqkQ4d8

 

 

*edit* Why the heck won't the video embed?


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:25 PM

I love how they stylized it like a 1940-50's PSA. 


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 04:43 PM

Found this very useful PSA video =)

 

 

www.youtube.com/embed/nDaSGqkQ4d8

 

 

*edit* Why the heck won't the video embed?

 

That was nothing short of awesome! Imagine what would happen if you walked into a gun shop wearing a long coat and hat nowadays...


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:57 AM

I run an AAC tiRant on my 9mm


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Posted 05 June 2014 - 12:05 PM

So I just got an email saying my tax stamp is in!  Not a bad turnaround time (well, relatively...and yes, I think there should be a turnaround time of zero days).  I submitted electronically on Jan. 22nd.  I'm heading to pick it up tonight!


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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:37 PM

So I just got an email saying my tax stamp is in!  Not a bad turnaround time (well, relatively...and yes, I think there should be a turnaround time of zero days).  I submitted electronically on Jan. 22nd.  I'm heading to pick it up tonight!

 

Congrats! Hopefully you'll post some pictures and a good review of your new toy. Some of us must enjoy suppressors vicariously...


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